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Am 14.07.2012 19:11, schrieb Jacob Errington:
> On 14 July 2012 02:14, djandus <jandew@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Note that la selpa'i was suggesting a fu'ivla for pokemon: {pokmone}
>>
>
> Yes, selpa'i had mentioned it in #lojban (why don't you come hang out
> there with us ? :) )

I second that. :)

>
>
>> So, how about:
>> pokmone: (rafsi: pok) x1 is a pokemon of species x2 and level x3
>
> That's a great definition, but we can't assign rafsi to fu'ivla, not
> to mention that we're technically not allowed to make up rafsi at all
> (it violates the baseline). (I do say "technically" because we do it
> all the time anyway.)

Yes, I suggested that -pok- be the rafsi of pokmone. This is perfectly 
fine, because, in the world of Pokemon, a Pokemon is a completely normal 
thing, making it natural for it to have a rafsi. In fact, it should even 
have a gismu, but I like pokmone more than something like pokme, because 
it more closely resembles the original name. Anyway, within the Pokemon 
world, -pok- should definitely be considered a normal rafsi.


>
>
>> pokjutsi: x1 is a pokemon species of type(s) x2 with evolutions/family x3
>
> The pair [kj] isn't legal, not to mention that if it were legal, this
> would be a lujvo with an unpredictable place structure, which isn't
> good.  We can insert arbitrary -r- hyphens though (because zi'evla
> cannot contain -y-.)

Except it is isn't a zi'evla (for the reasons mentioned above). It's a 
lujvo. {pokyjutsi}. I think the above definition is good.


>
>> broda poi pokjutsi: x1 is a [broda] at level x2 trained by x3
>
> Each pokemon brivla should probably encode the level. e.g. piktcu = x1
> is a level x2 pikachu.
> Pokemon brivla shouldn't include the trainer.
> That makes {broda poi pokjutsi} unuseful, not to mention that it isn't
> grammatical.
>
> I suggest {pokrlei} for "pokemon type", in the sense of electric, ice,
> water, fire, etc.
> pokrlei = x1 is the type of pokemon x2.
> Using this, we can say {lo piktcu cu se pokrlei lo dikca} "Pikachu is
> an electric-type pokemon."

I agree with everything, but I would again use {poklei} instead.


>
> I suggest {pokrtro} for "pokemon trainer". I don't know what other
> places it should have, if any. I don't think we should include the
> trainer place in any of the pokemon brivla, in favour of using {fi'o
> poktro}.
{poktro}.
Maaaaybe one could include the trainer type (there are 33 trainer types 
in Gen I: e.g. Biker, Swimmer, Beauty), but they are probably not 
important enough to get a place. Instead, when a "Swimmer wants to 
fight!", you'd just say {lo limna cu damba djica} anyway.
So x1 is a Pokemon Trainer training Pokemon x2 [in event x3]

>
>
>> "Wild [broda] appeared!" can be "lo cilce broda ku tolcanci" or similar.
>
> That seems good.
>
>> Tanru can affect the semantics of place structures enough for that.
>> Evolutions can be described with {binxo}, and I would even go as far as to
>> describe families as
>> lo lanzu be la .tsirespas. ce'o la .xederespas. ce'o la .musirespas. bei lo
>> nu binxo
>
> I suggest {pokrbi'o} for "evolve". pokrbi'o = x1 evolves into x2 under
> conditions x3. (giving a specific item, or reaching a certain level.)

I like pure binxo. Evolving is so normal that nobody would call it 
Pokemon evolution.
However, there is also farvi, which seems more precise.

It also let's you talk about about "families": lo ve farvi are all the 
stages of a Pokemon.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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