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On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:13:14 PM UTC-5, selpa'i wrote:
>
> Remember that the best lujvo is the one with the *lowest* score. So in 
> jvozba, pick the one at the top of the list, which is tsirespa.
>
This is what I was saying about jargon and this translation. The lowest 
score is best for lujvo that are used often in daily conversation, stuff 
I'd put in the JVS for every Lojbanist to use. It's also best for basic 
ideas that are likely to be built off of, such as how {toldra} is a basic 
concept used all the time, especially in tanru. It's a good thing to know 
as a separate word for "incorrect", less important to know that it's 
derived from {to'e drani}.

We are making a list of jargon words. They have a very, very limited use 
and are not basic concepts at all, but species of creature. We want them to 
be as obviously *descriptive* as possible, not obscure and requiring a 
player to go to a dictionary to remember some rafsi or another. Thus, the *
highest* score is best.

tl;dr: low scores are for permanent, widespread words. high scores are for 
lesser-used, more descriptive words. Let's go for clarity here.

>
> Here are some additional points I noticed:
> When Oak asks you to enter your name, the window says "cmen", so I see it 
> has a character limit of 4. How about using {me'e} there?
>
Sounds good. 

> And then in the options menu, I would change jbini masno to masno jbini.
>
Wait, are you asking me to put the options as "Fast, Slow, or In Between"? 
because that requires a lot more effort than you think ><

> The rest of the options menu seems good, but I would probably use barkla 
> instead of barli'a, or just cliva by itself.
>
I'm grabbing that from what's "supposed" to be one of the standard 
documents on computer terms. Frankly, ever since I put it in, I've been 
wanting to change it to {cliva}. Since somepony else thinks so, too, I 
probably will. (That whole clarity thing I mentioned above applies here.)

> It's not very important though, especially not at this point.
>
It's good to say it now than forget to say it later. 

ki'ecai
mu'o mi'e djos

>  

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On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:13:14 PM UTC-5, selpa'i wrote:<blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
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   =20
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  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><tt>Remember that the best lujv=
o is the one with the <b>lowest</b>
      score. So in jvozba, pick the one at the top of the list, which is
      tsirespa.</tt></div></blockquote><div>This is what I was saying about=
 jargon and this translation. The lowest score is best for lujvo that are u=
sed often in daily conversation, stuff I'd put in the JVS for every Lojbani=
st to use. It's also best for basic ideas that are likely to be built off o=
f, such as how {toldra} is a basic concept used all the time, especially in=
 tanru. It's a good thing to know as a separate word for "incorrect", less =
important to know that it's derived from {to'e drani}.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>We are making a list of jargon words. They have a very, very limited u=
se and are not basic concepts at all, but species of creature. We want them=
 to be as obviously <i>descriptive</i>&nbsp;as possible, not obscure and re=
quiring a player to go to a dictionary to remember some rafsi or another. T=
hus, the <b>highest</b>&nbsp;score is best.</div><div><br></div><div>tl;dr:=
 low scores are for permanent, widespread words. high scores are for lesser=
-used, more descriptive words. Let's go for clarity here.</div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">=
<tt>
      <br>
      Here are some additional points I noticed:<br>
      When Oak asks you to enter your name, the window says "cmen", so I
      see it has a character limit of 4. How about using {me'e} there?<br><=
/tt></div></blockquote><div>Sounds good.&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><tt>
      And then in the options menu, I would change jbini masno to masno
      jbini.</tt></div></blockquote><div>Wait, are you asking me to put the=
 options as "Fast, Slow, or In Between"? because that requires a lot more e=
ffort than you think &gt;&lt;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: =
1ex;"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><tt> The rest of the option=
s menu seems good, but I would
      probably use barkla instead of barli'a, or just cliva by itself.</tt>=
</div></blockquote><div><ponifytext>I'm grabbing that from what's "supposed=
" to be one of the standard documents on computer terms. Frankly, ever sinc=
e I put it in, I've been wanting to change it to {cliva}. Since <ponify tit=
le=3D"someone">somepony</ponify> else thinks so, too, I probably will. (Tha=
t whole clarity thing I mentioned above applies here.)</ponifytext></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;borde=
r-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D=
"#000000"><tt>
      It's not very important though, especially not at this point.<br></tt=
></div></blockquote><div>It's good to say it now than forget to say it late=
r.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>ki'ecai</div><div>mu'o mi'e djos</div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border=
-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"=
#000000">
  </div>

</blockquote>

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