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Am 18.07.2012 08:50, schrieb djandus:
> I'd also like to mention that {.ipkatcu} is my favorite pokemon name=20
> so far. I don't know why, but I find that name hilariously awesome. So=20
> much fun to say, especially in various voices! (Oh, doi la selpa'i,=20
> that is a proper fu'ivla, right? You put it in the cmevla column. I'll=20
> be excited when we can get rid of that column.)

Glad you like it. I meant to put it into the brivla column. And yes,=20
it's a valid fu'ivla.


Am 18.07.2012 01:42, schrieb djandus:
> On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 6:02:14 PM UTC-5, selpa'i wrote:
>
>     A skilled Lojbanist has to know that tsi =3D tsiju.
>
> I completely agree. The issue is that I /want unskilled lojbanists to=20
> enjoy the game./ Again, think of Pok=E9mon originally. A game for kids.=
=20
> Unskilled English speakers could follow it easily. I discussed this=20
> with Lindar last night, and he mentioned how the Japanese version had=20
> very little kanji. Same reason. Sure, a skilled Japanese reader should=20
> be able to read all kanji all the time quickly, but that's just not=20
> the point of making an enjoyable game.
>
>     It's very much like in English, where the name reminds you of an
>     actual English word (Mankey > Monkey).
>
> That's what the fu'ivla are like, sure. But the lojban should be explicit=
.
>
>     e.g. {jirnyrespa} "Horn Reptile" for something like Nidoking (this
>     is just an example)
>
> I'm entirely okay with this. That means (gasp!) that playing a game=20
> helped you know a word in the real world.

:) I get your point. I guess I just like the idea of having specific=20
words just for Pokemon. But of course your way might help to teach some=20
rafsi or lujvo. Again, I would like to hear what other people think.

> If I were to make a lujvo for Nidoking, it would probably involve=20
> looking at this=20
> <http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Nidoran%E2%99%82_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%=
29#Name_origin> and=20
> picking an interpretation.

I did just that, but using a different source. I arrived at a different=20
translation though :) Would it be a problem if we had a seperate column=20
for fu'ivla name suggestions?

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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    <tt>Am 18.07.2012 08:50, schrieb djandus:<br>
    </tt>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:fca9c1c5-d91b-4bdb-9788-c493e7e3884b@googlegroups.com"
      type="cite"><tt>I'd also like to mention that {.ipkatcu} is my
        favorite pokemon name so far. I don't know why, but I find that
        name hilariously awesome. So much fun to say, especially in
        various voices! (Oh, doi la selpa'i, that is a proper fu'ivla,
        right? You put it in the cmevla column. I'll be excited when we
        can get rid of that column.)</tt></blockquote>
    <tt><br>
      Glad you like it. I meant to put it into the brivla column. And
      yes, it's a valid fu'ivla.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
    </tt>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><tt>Am 18.07.2012 01:42, schrieb
        djandus:<br>
      </tt>
    </div>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:7364d19a-91c4-408c-b78c-e466f5b3f4a0@googlegroups.com"
      type="cite"><tt>On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 6:02:14 PM UTC-5,
        selpa'i wrote: </tt>
      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0;margin-left:
        0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
        <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><tt>A skilled Lojbanist
            has to know that tsi = tsiju.</tt></div>
      </blockquote>
      <div><tt>I completely agree. The issue is that I <i>want
            unskilled lojbanists to enjoy the game.</i>&nbsp;Again, think of
          Pok&eacute;mon originally. A game for kids. Unskilled English
          speakers could follow it easily. I discussed this with Lindar
          last night, and he mentioned how the Japanese version had very
          little&nbsp;kanji. Same reason. Sure, a skilled Japanese reader
          should be able to read all kanji all the time quickly, but
          that's just not the point of making an enjoyable game.</tt></div>
      <div><tt><br>
        </tt></div>
      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0;margin-left:
        0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
        <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><tt>It's very much like in
            English, where the name reminds you of an actual English
            word (Mankey &gt; Monkey).&nbsp;<br>
          </tt></div>
      </blockquote>
      <div><tt>That's what the fu'ivla are like, sure. But the lojban
          should be explicit.</tt></div>
      <div><tt><br>
        </tt></div>
      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0;margin-left:
        0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
        <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><tt>e.g. {jirnyrespa}
            "Horn Reptile" for something like Nidoking (this is just an
            example)</tt></div>
      </blockquote>
      <div><tt>I'm entirely okay with this. That means (gasp!) that
          playing a game helped you know a word in the real world. </tt></div>
    </blockquote>
    <tt><br>
      :) I get your point. I guess I just like the idea of having
      specific words just for Pokemon. But of course your way might help
      to teach some rafsi or lujvo. Again, I would like to hear what
      other people think.<br>
      <br>
    </tt>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:7364d19a-91c4-408c-b78c-e466f5b3f4a0@googlegroups.com"
      type="cite">
      <div><tt>If I were to make a lujvo for Nidoking, it would probably
          involve looking at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Nidoran%E2%99%82_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29#Name_origin">this</a><ponifytext>&nbsp;and

            picking an interpretation. </ponifytext><br>
        </tt></div>
    </blockquote>
    <tt><br>
      I did just that, but using a different source. I arrived at a
      different translation though :) Would it be a problem if we had a
      seperate column for fu'ivla name suggestions? <br>
      <br>
      mu'o mi'e la selpa'i<br>
    </tt>
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.i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u 
.i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla 
.i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata</tt></pre>
    <tt><br>
      <br>
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