Received: from mail-ee0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]:33307) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sroaq-00055L-2c; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 04:08:30 -0700 Received: by eeit10 with SMTP id t10sf1534169eei.16 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 04:08:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vhpSoqAYG8+QzCSY6rQHbyWKnzaMKfG4/xoA1c+ojpI=; b=Dg/hFq8ioPJK1RNdgegDpOhMNPQcdN4xQWpIi3788WAmrNhtJf8lzo1JqlyVe1MzIp qHuKCAul+NI4pZMjDd08IKbGbzT7nY8L05JYZFXRlg/yhx/cN++xhbffzPklnILa5mq3 guTW9vldXA76L5UYdDGha7rEQGBalq76+pdCM= Received: by 10.204.157.25 with SMTP id z25mr35219bkw.26.1342696100259; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 04:08:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.129.214 with SMTP id p22ls2950322bks.7.gmail; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 04:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.130.14 with SMTP id hk14mr347763bkc.5.1342696098884; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 04:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.130.14 with SMTP id hk14mr347758bkc.5.1342696098729; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 04:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q3si473537bkv.1.2012.07.19.04.08.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 19 Jul 2012 04:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.172; Received: by lbbgo11 with SMTP id go11so4789040lbb.17 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 04:08:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.122.12 with SMTP id lo12mr1700777lab.3.1342696098235; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 04:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.28.134 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 04:08:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:08:18 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Scales vocabulary construction From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis wrote: > ki'esai xorxes > > I guess {kaicmi} could then mean "x1 pertains to scale x2."? > > I wonder if a scale can be described as anything more than an > arbitrary collection of > properties... E.g. Should a scale be always closed under conjuction? I don't think so, being red and blue at the same time is not really a color, being brother and father at the same time is at least unusual. > Disjunction? Probably not. If I ask what color this is, I prefer a more definite answer than "red or blue". I wouldn't say "red or blue" should count as one color. > Scalar negation? Should such an algebraic characterization affect our luj= vo? In the ideal case, the properties should probably be a "natural" partition of some domain, but then no actual case is ideal. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.