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Hello,

I suppose Lojban is a very suitable language to do philosophy in a formal 
way, or mathematics. But I am wondering if Lojban can be a ideal language, 
perfectly logic and representative of the facts of the reality described by 
the early Wittgenstein.

He wrote (*Tractatus*):

3.323 -- *In the language of everyday life it very often happens that the 
same word signifies in two different ways -- and therefore belongs to two 
different symbols -- or that two words, which signify in different ways, 
are apparently applied in the same way in the proposition.*

*Thus the word "is" appears as the copula, as the sign of equality, and as 
the expression of existence; "to exist" as an intransitive verb like "to 
go"; "identical" as an adjective; we speak of something but also of the 
fact of something happening.*
3.325 -- *In order to avoid these errors, we must employ a symbolism which 
exlucdes them, by not applying the same sign in different symbols and by 
not applying signs in the same way which signify in different ways. A 
symbolism, that is to say, which obeys the rules of logical grammar -- of 
logical syntax.*

*
*

Can Lojban really resolve all problems figured in 3.323? Can Lojban be this 
symbolism *which obeys the rules of logical grammar -- of logical syntax*?

If so, maybe we can suppose that we can map each Lojban proposition to a 
fact, and that there exists an correspondence between Lojban language and 
reality.

Regards.

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<div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div>I suppose Lojban is a very suitable la=
nguage to do philosophy in a formal way, or mathematics. But I am wondering=
 if Lojban can be a ideal language, perfectly logic and representative of t=
he facts of the reality described by the early Wittgenstein.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>He wrote (<i>Tractatus</i>):</div><div><br></div><blockquote sty=
le=3D"margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>3.323&nbsp;--&n=
bsp;<span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><font size=3D"2" face=3D"arial, s=
ans-serif"><i>In the language of everyday life it very often happens that t=
he same word signifies in two different ways -- and therefore belongs to tw=
o different symbols -- or that two words, which signify in different ways, =
are apparently applied in the same way in the proposition.</i></font></span=
></div><div><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: large; "><p><i><=
font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">Thus the word "is" appears as the copula, a=
s the sign of equality, and as the expression of existence; "to exist" as a=
n intransitive verb like "to go"; "identical" as an adjective; we speak of&=
nbsp;something&nbsp;but also of the fact of&nbsp;something&nbsp;happening.<=
/font></i></p></span></div><div>3.325 --&nbsp;<span style=3D"color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); "><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"2"><i>In order to avoid t=
hese errors, we must employ a symbolism which exlucdes them, by not applyin=
g the same sign in different symbols and by not applying signs in the same =
way which signify in different ways. A symbolism, that is to say, which obe=
ys the rules of&nbsp;logical&nbsp;grammar -- of logical syntax.</i></font><=
/span></div></blockquote><div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, sans-s=
erif" size=3D"2"><i><br></i></font><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><f=
ont face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"2"><p style=3D"font-style: italic; "=
></p><p>Can Lojban really resolve all problems figured in 3.323? Can Lojban=
 be this symbolism&nbsp;<i style=3D"font-size: small; ">which obeys the rul=
es of&nbsp;logical&nbsp;grammar -- of logical syntax</i><span style=3D"font=
-size: small; ">?</span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size: small; ">If so, ma=
ybe we can suppose that we can map each Lojban proposition to a fact, and t=
hat there exists an correspondence between Lojban language and reality.</sp=
an></p><p><span style=3D"font-size: small; ">Regards.</span></p></font></sp=
an></div>

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