Received: from mail-vc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:63797) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SsG8J-0000SV-Sf; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:32:56 -0700 Received: by vcbfl10 with SMTP id fl10sf4594165vcb.16 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:32:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Ze4HqmjzqLG9/PNTIjdiIYBGS/bs1tYBxzRCzVOywEE=; b=s52rTNBQJ8HUTb3DC7r62UxCPVgRkvfQhjT9oQjLpiusLQsALIez/aIcORssn8Y/I3 FM5prLALX078X5ExOyqpdoBMUYNN/7yXmhykvgjl0eD5aWQ+M3HD/Q7y/AI2NwXA+dPo H9NImIGaCGvQU6WNtWK1S3npdFw/eugXNCLA4= Received: by 10.224.193.197 with SMTP id dv5mr1427395qab.9.1342801965309; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:32:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.240.15 with SMTP id ky15ls2952152vcb.6.gmail; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.182.138 with SMTP id o10mr3262820yhm.13.1342801964556; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.182.138 with SMTP id o10mr3262819yhm.13.1342801964541; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gh0-f182.google.com (mail-gh0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q4si536272ano.0.2012.07.20.09.32.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.182; Received: by mail-gh0-f182.google.com with SMTP id z22so6056980ghb.27 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:32:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.154.232 with SMTP id vr8mr7889023oeb.30.1342801964161; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.82.228 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:32:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50097736.1050409@gmx.de> References: <50097736.1050409@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:32:44 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Question: origins of "spitaki" From: Remo Dentato To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec55245ec13d89f04c54572fd X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec55245ec13d89f04c54572fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I would have not guessed it because in "Psittaciformes" the "ci" doesn't sound like {ki} but more like {tci}. On Friday, July 20, 2012, selpa'i wrote: > Am 20.07.2012 17:13, schrieb Cyril Slobin: > > Can anyone explain me the etymology of "spitaki"? From which language is > it borrowed? Not obvious for me, sorry. > > > Parrots are from the order of Psittaciformes. Using part before -formes, > we are left with "psittaci". To turn this into a stage-4 fu'ivla, we can't > use *{psitaki}, because {ps} is not valid. Therefore, we switch ps to sp > and get {spitaki} = parrot. > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > > -- > .i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u > .i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla > .i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com 'lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com');>. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec55245ec13d89f04c54572fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would have not guessed it because in "Psittaciformes" the "= ;ci" doesn't sound like {ki} but more like {tci}.

On Friday, July 20, 2012, selpa'i wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Am 20.07.2012 17:13, schrieb Cyril Slobin:
Can anyone explain me the etymology of "spitaki"? From wh= ich language is it borrowed? Not obvious for me, sorry.

Parrots are from the order of Psit= taciformes. Using part before -formes, we are left with "psittaci". To turn this into a stage-4 fu'ivla, we can't use *{psitaki}, because {p= s} is not valid. Therefore, we switch ps to sp and get {spitaki} =3D parrot.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

--=20
.i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u=20
.i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla=20
.i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@google= groups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojba= n?hl=3Den.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.
--bcaec55245ec13d89f04c54572fd--