Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:41609) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SsKZm-0001ua-KZ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:17:36 -0700 Received: by weyu3 with SMTP id u3sf2355341wey.16 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:17:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=B9JDm+Oi9gucZj+qISqIORLL9SGi0V8WzjuP/J/VTwE=; b=k4DcG+ksWahekxdPs+vXsn9rW7amZOKQRiWRbV4YiavnzCDyhuaFLxHHULn/XjgeH8 2W0Kg/jdhz8ITMX7HdTonnyaydSkoDUMcziiAqTXUpVQNl0pRNTy2XK84P5EtpityE8F uAKDAO8IMhnIQ4+MC5Adeo5Z+cA71esHL7NWc= Received: by 10.204.133.195 with SMTP id g3mr505167bkt.15.1342819043071; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:17:23 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.7.203 with SMTP id e11ls4903441bke.8.gmail; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.126.4 with SMTP id gu4mr1649211bkc.8.1342819042060; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.126.4 with SMTP id gu4mr1649210bkc.8.1342819042037; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e23si1612494bks.0.2012.07.20.14.17.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.172; Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id go11so7590965lbb.17 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:17:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.114.3 with SMTP id jc3mr7810720lab.11.1342819041750; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:17:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5009C826.2090108@gmail.com> References: <1b8bb927-a69e-4fc1-a85d-97c4203b751d@googlegroups.com> <5009A007.2030107@gmail.com> <5009C826.2090108@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:17:21 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=5Blojban=5D_Re=3A_lujvo_for_=22spelling=22=3F_=28was_Re=3A_=5Bloj?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ban=2Dbeginners=5D_How_do_you_write_=22Eyjafjallaj=F6kull=22=3F_=28a_sent?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ence_from_tatoeba=29=29?= From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04088c7ffb308504c5496bed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d04088c7ffb308504c5496bed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That definition has 0 votes and therefore doesn't count. Quoting a previous message in this thread: {vlale'u} doesn't seem useful, but both {vlakemlerpoi} and {lerpoi} do. > My proposed definitions of lerpoi and vlakemlerpoi: > > #1a .i lo ka lerpoi cu ka ce'u noi fa'ugi lu'a ke'a gi lu'o ke'a lerfu > ce'u fa'u zi'o zi'o fa'u ce'u cu porsi zi'o zi'o > "x1 is a character string (sequence of letters) in character set x2 > representing x3." > porsi2 and porsi3 seem irrelevant. The fa'u-hackage is required, > because individually the letters-digits-symbols are a part of the > character set, but as a sequence or mass, aren't. However, > individually, they don't represent anything, but as a mass, they do. > The definition can be given with a termset rather than the non-logical > connective {fa'u}: > #1b .i lo ka lerpoi cu ka ce'u noi nu'i ge lu'a ke'a ce'u zi'o nu'u gi > lu'o ke'a zi'o ce'u lerfu cu porsi zi'o zi'o > > (for simplicity's sake, I'm not going to give the full gismu-deep > structure of vlakemlerpoi) > #2 .i lo ka vlakemlerpoi cu ka ce'u lerpoi ce'u ce'u noi ke'a valsi ce'u > ce'u > "x1 is a string in character set x3 representing word x3 meaning x4 in > language x5." > or "x1 is the spelling of x3." > > mu'o mi'e la tsani On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:05 PM, vitci'i wrote: > jbovlaste's definition for lerpoi doesn't seem to have a place for the > word formed by the sequence of letters. I have to repeat iesk's question. > > On 07/20/2012 01:24 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > The consensus is on lerpoi. > > > > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:14 PM, vitci'i >wrote: > >> I can't find it on vlasisku. I'd like to nominate {lerfu mifra} for > >> veljvo. (cf. lertermifra, character encoding.) > >> > >> On 07/20/2012 01:04 PM, iesk wrote: > >>> I'm sorry if I missed it, but ... *how do* I say '"broda" is spelt bee, > >>> ar, o, dee, a." in Lojban? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d04088c7ffb308504c5496bed Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 That definition has 0 votes and therefore doesn't count.

Quoting a previous message in this thread:

{vlale'u} doesn't seem useful, but both {vlakemlerpoi} and {lerpoi} do.
My proposed definitions of lerpoi and vlakemlerpoi:

#1a .i lo ka lerpoi cu ka ce'u noi fa'ugi lu'a ke'a gi lu'o ke'a lerfu
ce'u fa'u zi'o zi'o fa'u ce'u cu porsi zi'o zi'o
"x1 is a character string (sequence of letters) in character set x2
representing x3."
porsi2 and porsi3 seem irrelevant. The fa'u-hackage is required,
because individually the letters-digits-symbols are a part of the
character set, but as a sequence or mass, aren't. However,
individually, they don't represent anything, but as a mass, they do.
The definition can be given with a termset rather than the non-logical
connective {fa'u}:
#1b .i lo ka lerpoi cu ka ce'u noi nu'i ge lu'a ke'a ce'u zi'o nu'u gi
lu'o ke'a zi'o ce'u lerfu cu porsi zi'o zi'o

(for simplicity's sake, I'm not going to give the full gismu-deep
structure of vlakemlerpoi)
#2 .i lo ka vlakemlerpoi cu ka ce'u lerpoi ce'u ce'u noi ke'a valsi ce'u ce'u
"x1 is a string in character set x3 representing word x3 meaning x4 in
language x5."
or "x1 is the spelling of x3."

mu'o mi'e la tsani

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:05 PM, vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com> wrote:
jbovlaste's definition for lerpoi doesn't seem to have a place for the
word formed by the sequence of letters. I have to repeat iesk's question.

On 07/20/2012 01:24 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> The consensus is on lerpoi.
>
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:14 PM, vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com>wrote:
>> I can't find it on vlasisku. I'd like to nominate {lerfu mifra} for
>> veljvo. (cf. lertermifra, character encoding.)
>>
>> On 07/20/2012 01:04 PM, iesk wrote:
>>> I'm sorry if I missed it, but ... *how do* I say '"broda" is spelt bee,
>>> ar, o, dee, a." in Lojban?

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