Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:35027) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SsYru-0007Vf-Vu; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 05:33:19 -0700 Received: by ggke5 with SMTP id e5sf5544495ggk.16 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 05:33:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=v0Fc6D8iFHnG0wG+VbvAi4uFkIfzh0TK2+6tx3TW1t0=; b=YwPuheIv+SjuXROiQSpYLmZoIR6S8s1QA46Jn7rCJ6l1V/fw2VpptCU8OM7XBg4lYo yI0xhabn5qKWLUVfrkkcjG82yiMV+PPbQNjXD7zPtWUwel3cnIx0Xl7pWxjSvSjEmVPX Eq8Q6W3igs/HZtqVarqrx4S5klv4FWcQP631Q= Received: by 10.52.95.238 with SMTP id dn14mr1057603vdb.1.1342873983542; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 05:33:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.88.68 with SMTP id be4ls2650950vdb.3.gmail; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 05:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.20.51 with SMTP id k19mr1069751vde.8.1342873983118; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 05:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 05:33:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <6556b2fd-c448-422b-83f8-615cf48406a5@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4e7ecbe5-d73c-451b-a321-a124b931ddac@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: the day after tomorrow and the day before yesterday MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5_13681842.1342873982734" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_5_13681842.1342873982734 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, how would you say "tomorrow morning" and "tonight"? 1. {de'i li pa ca lo cerni} {de'i li no ca lo nicte} 2. ...? By the way, what is "this night"? Is it current djedi or not? When djedi begins? I heard in some countries it starts after the sundown. So "tonight" in English may be "next night" in other cultures. On Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:44:23 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote: > > On 14 July 2012 05:36, la gleki wrote: > > > > > > On May 29, 7:43 am, Jacob Errington wrote: > >> Yes, there is. The gismu deep structure is wrong: > >> lo ka bavbavlamdei cu ka ce'u djedi gi'e lamji ce'u noi balvi *lo balvi > be > >> ce'u* > >> where the added on "lo balvi" is the result of tacking on the extra > -bav-. > >> So "a day that is adjacent to an event that is in the future of the > future > >> of an event" i.e. BAD. > >> > >> In fact, the GDS for bavlamdei is really messy: > >> lo ka bavlamdei cu ka ce'u djedi gi'e lamji ce'u noi balvi ce'u > >> > >> You might as well just use {ba za re lo djedi} > >> > >> My ramblings: > >> {lo se detri be li za'u} is an interesting solution, where the number > of > >> "tomorrows" can be indicated after the za'u: > >> {lo se detri be li za'ure} -> "the day after tomorrow" and {lo se detri > be > >> li za'uci} "the day after that". > >> If {za'u} had a lujvo, which is sadly does not, I'd propose: {za'u zei > >> seldetri} = x1 is the event occurring on date x2 days after x3 at > location > >> x4 by caldendar x5. > >> Unfortunately {za'u zei seldetri} suffers from karcykla syndrome: is it > >> days, months, weeks, years? *shrug* we can't know > > Shouldn't we add {pi'e} to point to week/month/year? > > We can presumably use pi'e in the x2 number to do that, sure, but I > have no idea what you mean by "add {pi'e}". We can't add it to the > lujvo, especially because the lujvo doesn't even exist. > > >> Even with {lo se detri > >> be li za'u} we can't really know to what the za'u is adding. > >> > >> On 28 May 2012 22:50, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Is there something wrong with {bavbavlamdei} and {pruprulamdei}? > >> > >> > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Jacob Errington > > >> > wrote: > >> > > Well, considering {bavlamdei = d1=b1=l1 is tomorrow; d1=b1=l1 is > the day > >> > > following b2=l2, day standard d3,} > >> > > {lo bavlamdei be lo bavlamdei (be lo cabdei)} does it, but that's > long. > >> > > You could say {lo bavlamdei bavlamdei} but that's almost as long. > >> > > I personally have used the PA rafsi to pull this off: {lo > relbavlamdei} > >> > or > >> > > {lo bavrelylamdei}; however, I don't know if this is acceptable. > >> > >> > > On 26 May 2012 15:54, Andrew Dibble wrote: > >> > >> > >> Is there a simple Lojban word for these phrases? > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > Groups > >> > >> "lojban" group. > >> > >> To view this discussion on the web visit > >> > >>https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/039gbB7uvNAJ. > >> > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> > >>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > >> > >> > > -- > >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> > > "lojban" group. > >> > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> > > For more options, visit this group at > >> > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > >> > >> > -- > >> > Alex R > >> > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> > "lojban" group. > >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> > For more options, visit this group at > >> >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/XboiFnlEtvgJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_5_13681842.1342873982734 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, how would you say "tomorrow morning" and "tonight"?
1. {de'i li p= a ca lo cerni} {de'i li no ca lo nicte}
2. ...?

By the way, what is "this night"? Is it current djedi or not?
=
When djedi begins? I heard in some countries it starts after the sundo= wn.
So "tonight" in English may be "next night" in other cultures= .

On Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:44:23 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:On 14 July 2012 05:36, la gleki <gleki.is.my.na= me@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On May 29, 7:43 am, Jacob Errington <nicty...@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
>> Yes, there is. The gismu deep structure is wrong:
>> lo ka bavbavlamdei cu ka ce'u djedi gi'e lamji ce'u noi balvi = *lo balvi be
>> ce'u*
>> where the added on "lo balvi" is the result of tacking on the = extra -bav-.
>> So "a day that is adjacent to an event that is in the future o= f the future
>> of an event" i.e. BAD.
>>
>> In fact, the GDS for bavlamdei is really messy:
>> lo ka bavlamdei cu ka ce'u djedi gi'e lamji ce'u noi balvi ce'= u
>>
>> You might as well just use {ba za re lo djedi}
>>
>> My ramblings:
>> {lo se detri be li za'u} is an interesting solution, where the= number of
>> "tomorrows" can be indicated after the za'u:
>> {lo se detri be li za'ure} -> "the day after tomorrow" and = {lo se detri be
>> li za'uci} "the day after that".
>> If {za'u} had a lujvo, which is sadly does not, I'd propose: {= za'u zei
>> seldetri} =3D x1 is the event occurring on date x2 days after = x3 at location
>> x4 by caldendar x5.
>> Unfortunately {za'u zei seldetri} suffers from karcykla syndro= me: is it
>> days, months, weeks, years? *shrug* we can't know
> Shouldn't we add {pi'e} to point to week/month/year?

We can presumably use pi'e in the x2 number to do that, sure, but I
have no idea what you mean by "add {pi'e}". We can't add it to the
lujvo, especially because the lujvo doesn't even exist.

>> Even with {lo se detri
>> be li za'u} we can't really know to what the za'u is adding.
>>
>> On 28 May 2012 22:50, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglove...@gmail= .com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Is there something wrong with {bavbavlamdei} and {pruprul= amdei}?
>>
>> > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Jacob Errington <n= icty...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > Well, considering {bavlamdei =3D d1=3Db1=3Dl1 is tom= orrow; d1=3Db1=3Dl1 is the day
>> > > following b2=3Dl2, day standard d3,}
>> > > {lo bavlamdei be lo bavlamdei (be lo cabdei)} does i= t, but that's long.
>> > > You could say {lo bavlamdei bavlamdei} but that's al= most as long.
>> > > I personally have used the PA rafsi to pull this off= : {lo relbavlamdei}
>> > or
>> > > {lo bavrelylamdei}; however, I don't know if this is= acceptable.
>>
>> > > On 26 May 2012 15:54, Andrew Dibble <acdib...@= gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >> Is there a simple Lojban word for these phrases?
>>
>> > >> --
>> > >> You received this message because you are subscr= ibed to the Google
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>> > >> "lojban" group.
>> > >> To view this discussion on the web visit
>> > >>https://groups.google.com/d/msg/loj= ban/-/039gbB7uvNAJ.
>> > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
>> > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
>> > >>
lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
>> > >> For more options, visit this group at
>> > >>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3D= en.
>>
>> > > --
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>>
>> > --
>> >           Alex R
>>
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