Received: from mail-qc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:50293) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1StH64-0004KP-V2; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 04:46:51 -0700 Received: by qcac11 with SMTP id c11sf7422184qca.16 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 04:46:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=X1q0X2wltkRLz2MBvNENpFXgvz1ebCP1Ei5PnvcrJB8=; b=hH0Cp+bqhCn/ymBotWniEVOhhEo+Cx3a7mJ262OGMBRDjBB9qxwOmzcK1zPMwZj5RT SIYP2RIWtW8uBwyb4NuAsfFy9BErsTElBe9ZTB3cwZ3YGzaZ/99zk9ytC5a1gXkC6FUg gtiSgOM9AA6dfVTYHx1j3fqDKGiouTqpSq59w= Received: by 10.236.201.134 with SMTP id b6mr2472968yho.15.1343043998159; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 04:46:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.113.178 with SMTP id a38ls10564685yhh.9.gmail; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 04:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.201.199 with SMTP id b47mr7891536yho.23.1343043997336; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 04:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.201.199 with SMTP id b47mr7891534yho.23.1343043997325; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 04:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u67si3578526yhi.7.2012.07.23.04.46.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 23 Jul 2012 04:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.169; Received: by mail-gg0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 4so6522869ggm.14 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 04:46:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.94.133 with SMTP id dc5mr13991031igb.16.1343043997121; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 04:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.15.74 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 04:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:46:37 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Translation of "ze" From: Escape Landsome To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: escaaape@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=escaaape@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Hello, in french, there are "un, une" which means "a, an" in english... and "le, la", which means "the" in english. But on some rare occasions, french people say "the" (they can write it "ze"), which then means "the" as in english, but with the connotation that it is "the X that comes obviously" for instance : "=C7a c'est ZE probl=E8me !" =3D "That, it's the (obvious, self-evident, main, most important) question !" The idea is that some X (the X which is "ze X") has optimal pertinence. Does Lojban have something for this kind of lo/la/... ? --esc --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.