Received: from mail-qc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:60132) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1StJpU-0007CU-8u; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:41:58 -0700 Received: by qcac11 with SMTP id c11sf7653779qca.16 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:41:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=HYvUf7JThvyIV61SHajujKGJ5irQGs7N1NTLTJ41m1Y=; b=JSLv+Qer+bEhM8DZ1xyYgxqwyLb5LzxGouhkE4nt/iqYsljGAZenQ/hJnoqI9PeQH7 9K/1KGzjzNzOL6TAkpYhYjlU0Tvsn57GMOWBN1P0KMBnXwBZmNNgSKAXu8Q2FtJnVF2q fXRika5U8d9zxuV1V5Hl/vX/IuUKtczXC8ULY= Received: by 10.229.106.7 with SMTP id v7mr608925qco.3.1343054501336; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:41:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.210.198 with SMTP id gl6ls3902060qab.4.gmail; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.59.73 with SMTP id k9mr9186099qah.4.1343054499836; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.59.73 with SMTP id k9mr9186098qah.4.1343054499820; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qa0-f54.google.com (mail-qa0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z30si2466044qcd.3.2012.07.23.07.41.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.54; Received: by mail-qa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id t11so1097705qaa.20 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:41:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.135.208 with SMTP id o16mr7139584qct.143.1343054499711; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.39.211 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:41:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <500D60F7.8030708@gmx.de> References: <4FF31027.7010608@gmx.de> <4FF32BCD.7050608@gmx.de> <4FF34B59.6060005@gmx.de> <4FFF49EE.1070207@gmx.de> <500D51B8.3020006@gmx.de> <500D58DA.7040107@gmx.de> <500D60F7.8030708@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:41:39 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la snime blabi From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00248c6a66d65e8a6704c5803ec7 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --00248c6a66d65e8a6704c5803ec7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:34 AM, selpa'i wrote: > Am 23.07.2012 16:22, schrieb Michael Turniansky: > > But, actually, I don't think I've ever seen an (English) version of th= e >> story where the mirror's response at this point in the story is that the >> queen is the fairest/prettiest. Usually that she is fair, but Snow is >> fairer by far. So even those authors recognize the mirror can't use the >> superlative regarding the queen. >> > > Okay, but I have the German "original"[1] version from 1905, and it, just > like any other ones I've seen, do say that the queen is the most beautifu= l: > > "Frau K=F6nigin, ihr seid die Sch=F6nste hier, > aber Schneewittchen =FCber den Bergen > bei den sieben Zwergen > ist noch tausendmal sch=F6ner als ihr." > > "O Queen, you are the most beautiful here, > but Snow White [...] > is yet a thousand times more beatiful than you." > > So it does use two sets :P. It might just be a language thing zo'o > > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > > --- > [1] The Grimm Brothers didn't invent the story, they just collected it > from people who knew it and then made their own version. Calling one > version or another original isn't really possible. > > > My apologies. I completely glossed over the "vi" in your version. You are fine and correct. 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On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at= 10:34 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 23.07.2012 16:22, schrieb Michael Turniansky:

=A0 But, actually, I don't think I've ever seen an (English) versio= n of the story where the mirror's response at this point in the story i= s that the queen is the fairest/prettiest. =A0Usually that she is fair, but= Snow is fairer by far. =A0So even those authors recognize the mirror can&#= 39;t use the superlative regarding the queen.

Okay, but I have the German "original"[1] version from 1905, and = it, just like any other ones I've seen, do say that the queen is the mo= st beautiful:

"Frau K=F6nigin, ihr seid die Sch=F6nste hier,
aber Schneewittchen =FCber den Bergen
bei den sieben Zwergen
ist noch tausendmal sch=F6ner als ihr."

"O Queen, you are the most beautiful here,
but Snow White [...]
is yet a thousand times more beatiful than you."

So it does use two sets :P. It might just be a language thing zo'o


mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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[1] The Grimm Brothers didn't invent the story, they just collected it = from people who knew it and then made their own version. Calling one versio= n or another original isn't really possible.



=A0 My apologies. =A0I= completely glossed over the "vi" in your version. =A0You are fin= e and correct. I withdraw my objection.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejy= spa
=A0

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