Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:36777) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1StJvP-0007Hj-Fs; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:48:04 -0700 Received: by yenl13 with SMTP id l13sf7673248yen.16 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:47:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0R5X1xniiG48s8xVDR75ggJwSqyYfWMQyE0K756IFCo=; b=ku/EHUB0NWPsK09CimqzGaRlW/zEKcgwUF0fMw8uqMbqJECkuSGPr9q+q2T7951qTU ckAS2ddQwr3e7GoDQrRlbsn3Epd0xTkgwsdpN76YdNVHwrg2mVXIbpXv9k0C++2lGJ3F 2iD5wfu0u6zLPMT0Zb6wFFXCJCE41cI+Fgfx0= Received: by 10.236.80.70 with SMTP id j46mr2622806yhe.11.1343054868571; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:47:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.223.77 with SMTP id ij13ls4230709vcb.1.gmail; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.75.161 with SMTP id d1mr24166174vdw.2.1343054868078; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.75.161 with SMTP id d1mr24166172vdw.2.1343054868052; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y20si1686997vdd.0.2012.07.23.07.47.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.54; Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so5894362vbm.13 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.116.3 with SMTP id k3mr12514338vcq.26.1343054867770; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:47:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.24.193 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:47:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Jacob Errington Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:47:27 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Translation of "ze" To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / {ba'e} ? I'm a native francophone, and usage of "ze" like that is just a matter of emphasis, in my experience. mu'o mi'e la tsani On 23 July 2012 08:28, Michael Turniansky wrote: > Perhaps le'e or lo'e would be appropriate for that kind of construction= . > > --gejyspa > > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Escape Landsome wro= te: >> >> Hello, >> >> in french, there are "un, une" which means "a, an" in english... and >> "le, la", which means "the" in english. >> >> But on some rare occasions, french people say "the" (they can write it >> "ze"), which then means "the" as in english, but with the connotation >> that it is "the X that comes obviously" >> >> for instance : >> >> "=C7a c'est ZE probl=E8me !" =3D "That, it's the (obvious, self-evident, >> main, most important) question !" >> >> The idea is that some X (the X which is "ze X") has optimal pertinence. >> >> Does Lojban have something for this kind of lo/la/... ? >> >> --esc >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.