Received: from mail-gh0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:49388) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1StPH3-0002QJ-QU; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:30:41 -0700 Received: by ghbf16 with SMTP id f16sf8029023ghb.16 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:30:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=P7f07mvLNhBzqxrZDcgufbaSmUUoaHNDt9iyik1BVO0=; b=JNJ7mHvvawZpwLHH5KSzK9pb/In7L0GGTIhizdMDHNK7fp2KqJ+g+PzRZ19FnRxeZi dDTf6QeN60chNAjqWOCYVqT3v3jeUA8+naYJGYiuQLRUxWUwVm+daIua3CEp7JvYohFJ fqZmgogb+A0gVk6PcuHxz147qIDJwYCLQdR78= Received: by 10.236.191.197 with SMTP id g45mr3170151yhn.7.1343075430926; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:30:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.74.30 with SMTP id w30ls266510ana.5.gmail; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.155.166 with SMTP id j26mr9039928yhk.0.1343075430212; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.155.166 with SMTP id j26mr9039927yhk.0.1343075430200; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gh0-f171.google.com (mail-gh0-f171.google.com [209.85.160.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y43si2986966yhi.2.2012.07.23.13.30.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of celestialcognition@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.171; Received: by mail-gh0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 10so7991934ghy.30 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.255.68 with SMTP id nh4mr9519595icb.38.1343075429892; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.103] (76-76-236-67.lisco.net. [76.76.236.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bp8sm413758igb.12.2012.07.23.13.30.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <500DB464.3080003@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:30:28 -0500 From: vitci'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Translation of "ze" References: In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: celestialcognition@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of celestialcognition@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=celestialcognition@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Perhaps {poi srana}? On 07/23/2012 06:46 AM, Escape Landsome wrote: > Hello, >=20 > in french, there are "un, une" which means "a, an" in english... and > "le, la", which means "the" in english. >=20 > But on some rare occasions, french people say "the" (they can write it > "ze"), which then means "the" as in english, but with the connotation > that it is "the X that comes obviously" >=20 > for instance : >=20 > "=C7a c'est ZE probl=E8me !" =3D "That, it's the (obvious, self-evident, > main, most important) question !" >=20 > The idea is that some X (the X which is "ze X") has optimal pertinence. >=20 > Does Lojban have something for this kind of lo/la/... ? >=20 > --esc >=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.