Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f61.google.com ([209.85.215.61]:43223) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1StXZq-0005KF-Sl; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:22:46 -0700 Received: by laai10 with SMTP id i10sf385004laa.16 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:22:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=3AeYeechwVV+Z2cGgPUoTmx9TD29TYD19vWAKwpOq+Y=; b=UfgieUO3hWZm7qNC9qnj2OqF7AEc8VUvIpqpi72ojzP2nlif30ukx8d+2i25hqTAUv Mjm4dEOjozPiaQgblZHAcxPe6JzainCNvx6VHfjv10ryKowkcCbwxI7ckj19CUhN4lZW jSLKvLtID3pFT0TQVo/99B4AS2X+pEmLzAxCw= Received: by 10.204.129.7 with SMTP id m7mr804587bks.17.1343107346430; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:22:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.129.214 with SMTP id p22ls7406315bks.7.gmail; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.130.7 with SMTP id q7mr3878832bks.2.1343107314983; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.130.7 with SMTP id q7mr3878830bks.2.1343107314961; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j4si4224503bkj.3.2012.07.23.22.21.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.182; Received: by lbon10 with SMTP id n10so8372385lbo.41 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:21:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.99.71 with SMTP id eo7mr9327519lbb.84.1343107314475; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:21:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2abfa90c-6902-4f2c-9ebb-3afa9f7c87b8@googlegroups.com> References: <2abfa90c-6902-4f2c-9ebb-3afa9f7c87b8@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 23:21:54 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Loglandic N-paradigm. Is it worthy of examination? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016a235fe18304c58c8ad1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d04016a235fe18304c58c8ad1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > After the two languages split Loglan introduced optional case tags. > It states that each sumti place can be assigned to a separate class, and > no two sumti in any brivla can have sumti places that belong to the same > class. > It probably aims at being easy to use, that is you should probably have no > problems in choosing what case tag (i.e. preposition) to use for refering > to any sumti. > > http://loglan.org/Paradigms/paradigm_n.html > > Some of them like /jui/ for instance just reminds me of lojbanic {mau} > (the problem with "than" in gismu definitions that was probably solved in > Lojban). > In my opinion /dio/ leads to some language-specific metaphors (beneficiary > being kinda destination). > I'm sorry, is this something like the BAI? Otherwise I don't get it. > But on the other hand, don't recent (and actually eternal) suggestions to > remove some frequent sumti places suggest something similar? > I know of no suggestions to remove frequent sumti places. Perhaps you meant INfrequent, as in the places that are rarely if ever used, and usually have a BAI equivalent s well? -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d04016a235fe18304c58c8ad1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Gleki Arxokuna= <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
After the two languages split Loglan introduced optional case tags.
It = states that each sumti place can be assigned to a separate class, and no tw= o sumti in any brivla can have sumti places that belong to the same class.<= /div>
It probably aims at being easy to use, that is you should probably hav= e no problems in choosing what case tag (i.e. preposition) to use for refer= ing to any sumti.


Some of them like /jui/ for instance just reminds= me of lojbanic {mau} (the problem=A0with "than"=A0in gismu defin= itions that was probably solved in Lojban).
In my opinion /dio/ l= eads to some language-specific metaphors (beneficiary being kinda destinati= on).

I'm sorry, is this something like the BAI? Otherw= ise I don't get it.
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But on the other hand, don't recent (and actually eternal) suggest= ions to remove some frequent sumti places suggest something similar?
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I know of no suggestions to remove frequent sumti places. Perhaps you meant= INfrequent, as in the places that are rarely if ever used, and usually hav= e a BAI equivalent s well?

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