Received: from mail-pb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:60605) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Stj3X-0004Wt-Cg; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:38:07 -0700 Received: by pbbro2 with SMTP id ro2sf9444362pbb.16 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:37:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=3VlDT8panHUUauhmS1a4U4q/vD+caA3umwl6Cf3Zy+I=; b=JU5w6Ndekao3BnVnt4IiC4aZyQ3Lk/e1DLL5gE0j5qNLXXvWJ1D3p0rVaunzYWhwmf UcNBtqCWcqlcmVWeIp2xgs5YwkjRMcgQofnmoccxDPJnUc+Rqkbdc8gWVEbHw1pOKt6b Q9GzAckLJPPxr4Xr1OIeCMCOLzL/9WcDjrEUU= Received: by 10.224.181.146 with SMTP id by18mr3392391qab.12.1343151472852; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:37:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.210.200 with SMTP id gl8ls12168041qab.7.gmail; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.39.72 with SMTP id f8mr12509079qae.7.1343151472326; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.39.72 with SMTP id f8mr12509078qae.7.1343151472297; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k34si3391486qcz.1.2012.07.24.10.37.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.169; Received: by qcsd16 with SMTP id d16so4636988qcs.0 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:37:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.177.1 with SMTP id bg1mr32435151qab.68.1343151472149; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.39.211 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:37:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <500ECFD0.8060107@gmx.de> References: <4FFF49EE.1070207@gmx.de> <500D51B8.3020006@gmx.de> <500D58DA.7040107@gmx.de> <500D60F7.8030708@gmx.de> <500ECFD0.8060107@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 13:37:51 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la snime blabi From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30334ebb60859704c596d26d X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf30334ebb60859704c596d26d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:39 PM, selpa'i wrote: > Am 24.07.2012 18:09, schrieb Michael Turniansky: > > " i tai ku klama fo lo ze cmana fe lo ze torcrida gi'e snadarxi lo vorme > gi'e lausku =ABlu lo xamgu ve pleji cu se friti li'u=BB " > > Pedantry again -- shouldn't that be "...fe _lo zdani be_ lo ze > torcrida..."? She didn't go to the dwarves at all. > > > This was again carried over from the original where it does say that she > goes to the seven dwarfs. The point of this is leitmotif. The phrase > "across the seven mountains to the seven dwarfs", which rhymes in the > original German, appears several times throughout the story. Inserting a > "house of" (zdani be lo) would break up this pattern. > Of course, from a nitpicky point of view, you are right, she does not go > to the seven dwarfs, she goes to Snow White. > > > Ah, well then, I fault the Brothers Grimm :-) There are other solutions, of course, if you desire greater accuracy, the easiest probably being using fa'a instead of fe. (Or if it's simply the simply in of "lo zdani" BEFORE "lo ze torcrida" that bothers you, you have the choice of using "fe lo po ze torcrida ku zdani" or the like.) Or, you can simply leave it as is, and make me grind my teeth :-) --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --20cf30334ebb60859704c596d26d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at= 12:39 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Am 24.07.2012 18:09, schrieb Michael Turniansky:
" i tai ku klama fo lo ze cmana fe lo ze torcrida gi'e snadarxi lo vorme gi'e lausku =ABlu lo xamgu ve pleji cu se friti li'u=BB=A0"

Pedantry again -- shouldn't that be "...fe _lo zdani be_ lo z= e torcrida..."? =A0She didn't go to the dwarves at all= . =A0 =A0

This was again carried over from the original where it does say that she goes to the seven dwarfs. The point of this is leitmotif. The phrase "across the seven mountains to the seven dwarfs"= , which rhymes in the original German, appears several times throughout the story. Inserting a "house of" (zdani be lo) would break= up this pattern.
Of course, from a nitpicky point of view, you are right, she does not go to the seven dwarfs, she goes to Snow White.
=

=A0 Ah, well then, I fault the B= rothers Grimm :-)

=A0 There are other solutions, o= f course, if you desire greater accuracy, the easiest probably being using = fa'a instead of fe. (Or if it's simply the simply in of "lo zd= ani" BEFORE "lo ze torcrida" that bothers you, you have the = choice of using "fe lo po ze torcrida ku zdani" or the like.) =A0= Or, you can simply leave it as is, and make me grind my teeth :-)

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

=A0<= /div>

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.
--20cf30334ebb60859704c596d26d--