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On Tuesday 24 July 2012 17:58:04 Bruno Durin wrote:
> Coi rodo
>
> I am a beginner and I am trying to summarize some thoughts and ideas abou=
t
> my experience of my first steps in Lojban. So please bear in mind that pa=
rt
> of, or maybe all, of what I am saying may be moot because it's only the
> reflect of my low level in Lojban. Please note also that English is not m=
y
> mother tongue (I'm French). I also send this message on this mailing list
> because to my mind it falls in a broader scope that just beginner
> questions.

There is a lojban-fr mailing list you may be interested in. There's also a=
=20
recording somewhere of several of us at last year's jbonunsla singing "ni'o=
=20
le bi'u cmalu bloti ze'epu naku xe klama". We weren't sure what to do=20
with "Oh=E9 matelot navigue sur les flots", though.

> So let's imagine I would like to translate the following small text on
> classes to describe what is object programming (this is a very bad
> description, but anyway)
> "Classes are composed of members and methods. Two classes can be linked b=
y
> an inheritance relationship. A class has a constructor, whose role is to
> initialize an instance of the class and a destructor, whose role is clean
> the instance before memory desallocation."
> So how do I decide which part of Lojban to use? Cmavo like "I define", "I
> state", etc.? Or should I look for gismo that express the relationship
> (something like: "members" pagbu "class" .i "methods" pagbu "class")? Or
> use set constructs with "du" or "mintu" and mex to express the fact that
> class =3D set {members, methods} which could also be a valid way to defin=
e
> class at the level of details of my silly example? To which extend should=
 I
> translate computer science words? Use standard morphology as for
> "spaghetti" translation to Lojban? Use "klesi" for class or "le'a" to
> express category? etc. At this stage it seems to me that it's not only a
> question of my better learning Lojban, it's also a question of building n=
ew
> vocabulary, of knowing how to choose a construct rather than another
> (finding the right style in Lojban to write about a given field --here it=
's
> computer science--, as there is a specific style to follow when writing
> mathematics (theorems for example) in English), of understanding thorough=
ly
> Lojban design not to spoil it (for example by using systematically mex
> constructs to write formal definitions that have nothing to do with
> mathematics, as I could do with "class =3D set {members, methods}"). To w=
hat
> extend do you have to be a linguist and/or a major contributor of Lojban
> (who I am not, not even a computer scientist) to achieve this goal? Do I
> have to wait for Lojban texts on computer science (or juridic texts, whic=
h
> is another area where I find Lojban very interesting) to be written befor=
e
> writing some myself or am I able to contribute?

This computer-science term "class" is definitely not "klesi". A possible wo=
rd=20
for the concept is "gaurtarmi", "a form of instances that do things". Metho=
ds=20
and members could be then gaurpau fa'u cadypau. "lo gaurtarmi cu cerda fi l=
o=20
drata gaurtarmi" sounds fine to me. You can indicate a definition=20
with "ca'edai" (it's a definition, but I didn't define it).

Pierre
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