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I forgot to explain the following.
In English or any other European language you can attach a limited number 
of prepositions to any verb.
You can say "Give it to me" but can't say "Give it at me". So when learning 
any European language you just have to memorise what prepositions (or 
cases) you can use with each verb just like in Lojban you memorise full 
gismu definitions.
The only difference that prepositions (or cases) are chosen mostly 
arbitrarily in each language. Sometimes the choice is based on 
culture-specific metaphors or any other stuff that could probably be found 
in the history of the language.

Loglan just builds another set of such preposition deviating from the major 
line of a logical culture-neutral langauge.
Yes, it's naturalistic. No, it's not neutral.
I can see no other way of solving this global problem except either using 
FA or ignoring sumti places in favor of appropriate BAI.
Anybody suggests the third way?
On Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:03:53 AM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:45 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > The list of words on 
> > the linked page is also far from exhaustive and each word is itself 
> > extremely general. 
>
> I believe the list is exhaustive. Every argument place is assigned to 
> one of the eleven cases, which is why they have to be so general. 
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes 
>

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I forgot to explain the following.<div>In English or any other European lan=
guage you can attach a limited number of prepositions to any verb.</div><di=
v>You can say "Give it to me" but can't say "Give it at me". So when learni=
ng any European language you just have to memorise what prepositions (or ca=
ses) you can use with each verb just like in Lojban you memorise full gismu=
 definitions.</div><div>The only difference that prepositions (or cases) ar=
e chosen mostly arbitrarily in each language. Sometimes the choice is based=
&nbsp;on culture-specific metaphors or any other stuff that could probably =
be found in the history of the&nbsp;language.</div><div><br></div><div>Logl=
an just builds another set of such preposition deviating from the major lin=
e of a logical culture-neutral langauge.</div><div>Yes, it's naturalistic. =
No, it's not neutral.</div><div>I can see no other way of solving this glob=
al problem except either using FA or ignoring sumti places in favor of appr=
opriate BAI.</div><div>Anybody suggests the third way?<br>On Wednesday, Jul=
y 25, 2012 3:03:53 AM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left: 1ex;">On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:45 AM, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote=
:
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; The list of words on
<br>&gt; the linked page is also far from exhaustive and each word is itsel=
f
<br>&gt; extremely general.
<br>
<br>I believe the list is exhaustive. Every argument place is assigned to
<br>one of the eleven cases, which is why they have to be so general.
<br>
<br>mu'o mi'e xorxes
<br></blockquote></div>

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