Received: from mail-gh0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:36117) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SuF1U-0003oJ-Cg; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:46:17 -0700 Received: by ghbf16 with SMTP id f16sf1660016ghb.16 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:45:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=7CBB0IvuFheiSwDPz0oGuZGoT6MBvoCu8XFiBkjE/Ts=; b=hc7P7C6g6EZvnzRyAF3VOjfL9vPfsDXIv79Kzebkq36INv59mVWDNuCJ/fs9r4Bwph FegOr8poPJGWEw/vdYzQAL/5C9EVqCEZdxYqPYRrSKj/aPwkT4knIlttcMGm9cpfiURF WRuHbYkxVwnbJ85wrMxS+COHDUM6YuH6y4gIw= Received: by 10.52.67.71 with SMTP id l7mr2968867vdt.12.1343274353673; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:45:53 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.239.208 with SMTP id kx16ls966882vcb.8.gmail; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.69.241 with SMTP id h17mr39159710vdu.5.1343274352798; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.69.241 with SMTP id h17mr39159708vdu.5.1343274352783; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f171.google.com (mail-vc0-f171.google.com [209.85.220.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m9si160885vdg.3.2012.07.25.20.45.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.171; Received: by vcdd16 with SMTP id d16so1298193vcd.2 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.219.71 with SMTP id ht7mr20108505vcb.3.1343274352580; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:45:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.58.69.82 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:45:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7a0566c4-9df7-4110-92f3-26ffcd15ad38@googlegroups.com> <5a8b5c2f-8696-4755-835f-6ec3d5e33659@googlegroups.com> <0d1668ba-96a1-4038-8f13-c321a5df9332@googlegroups.com> <81e3c774-a3f4-489b-94b2-73d50557632c@googlegroups.com> <508556af-59a8-4f74-865f-56f59a8e8c85@googlegroups.com> <9f593537-0c09-41db-8a12-cd422accfe84@googlegroups.com> From: ".arpis." 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To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9cfcdd09f190e04c5b36e9a X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --14dae9cfcdd09f190e04c5b36e9a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 According to the wikipedia page [1], whether or not a format is proprietary depends on whether or not someone owns IP rights (usually patents) to it. I don't believe this to be the case with Audacity. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_format On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:22 PM, .arpis. wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:30 AM, la .lindar. wrote: >>> >>>> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B2twDfvSFg4nOFZTeUtCS2pXRms >>>> >>>> Just in case, here's the WAV. Exported directly as one so there's no >>>> conversion time. >>>> >>> >>> Since I'm using Audacity to do the editing, there is, actually. >>> Regardless of format, Audacity always converts it to it's own proprietary >>> format at load. >>> >> >> Are you sure you mean "proprietary" and not just "internal"? Sorry to >> pick nits, but if you meant exactly what I think you said, I'm confused. >> > > It is the internal format, but not "just". Audacity converts all audio to > it's own .aup format at load, which is also the only format it is possible > to save in. (.wav, .mp3, and .ogg are EXPORT formats.) As far as I am > aware, only Audacity is able to read that format, making it proprietary. > > >> Maybe source the work out to somebody? >>>> >>> >>> Who and with what money? >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --14dae9cfcdd09f190e04c5b36e9a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable According to the wikipedia page [1], whether or not a format is proprietary= depends on whether or not someone owns IP rights (usually patents) to it. = I don't believe this to be the case with Audacity.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.= org/wiki/Proprietary_format

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Jonathan Jo= nes <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:22 P= M, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:


On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Jo= nathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:


On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:30 AM, la= .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=3D0B2twDfvSFg4nOFZTeUtCS2= pXRms

Just in case, here's the WAV. Exported dir= ectly as one so there's no conversion time.

Since I'm using Audacity to do the editing,= there is, actually. Regardless of format, Audacity always converts it to i= t's own proprietary format at load.

Are you sure you mean "proprietary" and not just "intern= al"? Sorry to pick nits, but if you meant exactly what I think you sai= d, I'm confused.

It is the i= nternal format, but not "just". Audacity converts all audio to it= 's own .aup format at load, which is also the only format it is possibl= e to save in. (.wav, .mp3, and .ogg are EXPORT formats.) As far as I am awa= re, only Audacity is able to read that format, making it proprietary.
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Maybe source the work out to somebody?

Who and with what money?
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