Received: from mail-lb0-f189.google.com ([209.85.217.189]:38174) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SuFAv-0003re-GC; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:55:56 -0700 Received: by lbol5 with SMTP id l5sf960195lbo.16 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:55:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=EJ4K88b79577K99Pm1Ip3Et98pxlCS1ZtNoGs65bRc0=; b=wD58pPYhIlvHOuswCkYn/AhV1NukUDfxS5fTiwDY7CFXmoE7YV5rpr4YlLHslfKmhb 5HVCZRRGa9wg7NosZmnXrYC/IDWpY+6n39K1LTmqhJwzeyjmv+z3fBdVdY11kQGPfy7w i969yjLElN167fHQzMt9+fsP3Ph9qpRLCdkJM= Received: by 10.204.130.204 with SMTP id u12mr1567149bks.1.1343274936877; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:55:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.7.213 with SMTP id e21ls1561404bke.2.gmail; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.130.14 with SMTP id hk14mr5784236bkc.5.1343274934967; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.130.14 with SMTP id hk14mr5784235bkc.5.1343274934940; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f171.google.com (mail-lb0-f171.google.com [209.85.217.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j4si5909123bkj.3.2012.07.25.20.55.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.171; Received: by lbom4 with SMTP id m4so1168021lbo.2 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:55:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.42.66 with SMTP id m2mr3364167lbl.46.1343274934296; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.136.73 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:55:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7a0566c4-9df7-4110-92f3-26ffcd15ad38@googlegroups.com> <5a8b5c2f-8696-4755-835f-6ec3d5e33659@googlegroups.com> <0d1668ba-96a1-4038-8f13-c321a5df9332@googlegroups.com> <81e3c774-a3f4-489b-94b2-73d50557632c@googlegroups.com> <508556af-59a8-4f74-865f-56f59a8e8c85@googlegroups.com> <9f593537-0c09-41db-8a12-cd422accfe84@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:55:34 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban on Memrise. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042184d94b603504c5b391d6 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d042184d94b603504c5b391d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We're done with this. As Lindar has already said: On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:45 PM, la .lindar. wrote: > This isn't appropriate for this thread and is not contributing to the > conversation. > Leave off it. On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:45 PM, .arpis. wrote: > According to the wikipedia page [1], whether or not a format is > proprietary depends on whether or not someone owns IP rights (usually > patents) to it. I don't believe this to be the case with Audacity. > > [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_format > > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:22 PM, .arpis. wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:30 AM, la .lindar. wrote: >>>> >>>>> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B2twDfvSFg4nOFZTeUtCS2pXRms >>>>> >>>>> Just in case, here's the WAV. Exported directly as one so there's no >>>>> conversion time. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Since I'm using Audacity to do the editing, there is, actually. >>>> Regardless of format, Audacity always converts it to it's own proprietary >>>> format at load. >>>> >>> >>> Are you sure you mean "proprietary" and not just "internal"? Sorry to >>> pick nits, but if you meant exactly what I think you said, I'm confused. >>> >> >> It is the internal format, but not "just". Audacity converts all audio to >> it's own .aup format at load, which is also the only format it is possible >> to save in. (.wav, .mp3, and .ogg are EXPORT formats.) As far as I am >> aware, only Audacity is able to read that format, making it proprietary. >> >> >>> Maybe source the work out to somebody? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Who and with what money? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .arpis. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d042184d94b603504c5b391d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We're done with this. As Lindar has already said:

On Wed, Jul 25= , 2012 at 6:45 PM, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
This isn't appropriate for this thread and is not contributing to = the conversation.

Leave off it.

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:45 PM, .arpis. <rpgl= over64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
According to the wikipedia page [1], whether= or not a format is proprietary depends on whether or not someone owns IP r= ights (usually patents) to it. I don't believe this to be the case with= Audacity.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_format


On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Jonathan Jo= nes <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:22 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:


On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Jo= nathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:


On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:30 AM, la= .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=3D0B2twDfvSFg4nOFZTeUtCS2= pXRms

Just in case, here's the WAV. Exported dir= ectly as one so there's no conversion time.

Since I'm using Audacity to do the editing,= there is, actually. Regardless of format, Audacity always converts it to i= t's own proprietary format at load.

Are you sure you mean "proprietary" and not just "intern= al"? Sorry to pick nits, but if you meant exactly what I think you sai= d, I'm confused.

It is the i= nternal format, but not "just". Audacity converts all audio to it= 's own .aup format at load, which is also the only format it is possibl= e to save in. (.wav, .mp3, and .ogg are EXPORT formats.) As far as I am awa= re, only Audacity is able to read that format, making it proprietary.
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Maybe source the work out to somebody?

Who and with what money?
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