Received: from mail-gh0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:41318) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SuNjq-0007DE-Fx; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 06:04:26 -0700 Received: by ghbf16 with SMTP id f16sf2245530ghb.16 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 06:04:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id :date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=uE5WgN0vpUHUQ4GnS0dp0qEvpxOKUTgPqbPFx6lcanY=; b=0riPBgcSdR9gzoZMnVwMqcxr3TJhNKshuhNWDlv3mE5El2MEQYuxqxkV/eKXRcuxBd PBR+m5honxRXHhsGvYZTSDJ0Uu1Ri/XcfXb2e/MTRvRLz81fAbsUhSmab82gJehXP79a MqUjwD0lBgfZRs3tEq4dO6+2fxdbC4bNpIwoQ= Received: by 10.68.232.230 with SMTP id tr6mr175961pbc.16.1343307854292; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 06:04:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.226.132 with SMTP id rs4ls5743758pbc.6.gmail; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 06:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.79.169 with SMTP id k9mr1581736pax.18.1343307853429; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 06:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.79.169 with SMTP id k9mr1581734pax.18.1343307853350; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 06:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net. [213.165.64.23]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id vo7si111290pbc.1.2012.07.26.06.04.12; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 06:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.23 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.23; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Jul 2012 13:04:11 -0000 Received: from p57A0810B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.129.11] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 26 Jul 2012 15:04:11 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18MSxRf5rAM0+V4Z2Wh3pD1hl3e8M1n4hqopR5Lvu y9+FuPBZhHYGMi Message-ID: <50114048.2000009@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 15:04:08 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: It's Greek to me References: <201207231411.12437.phma@phma.optus.nu> <9d078b36-1814-40f9-9d8a-e54face9d102@googlegroups.com> <50102B21.4020200@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.23 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Am 26.07.2012 06:58, schrieb Gleki Arxokuna: > I understood the joke. pe'i metaphorical expressions are possible in > Lojban but must be clearly defined > to prevent culture-specific misunderstanding. If you define a metaphor that way, it's not really a metaphor anymore. You only get the full effect if .itkuil means the language and then say things like {xu di'u .itkuile} to express your confusion. Of course metaphors are fine, and when they are not obvious, you can mark them with pe'a. > In the Netherlands and Russia they say "It's Chinese to me" in such > situations. In Germany, people say "das kommt mir spanisch vor" = "this seems spanish to me" to exress not-understanding or that something is odd. Using foreign languages in such metaphors is common all over the planet, so using .itkuil (or any other non-lojban language, even though the comical effect is greater with .itkuil, it being another conlang and known for its complexity) will do the job. Again, use pe'a or zo'o when you aren't sure people will get it. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.