Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:57690) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SukT5-0002IX-HR; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:20:45 -0700 Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3sf3566356obb.16 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:20:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=9OJzneXNn4ad2dFURIHsslfLM9sv+eDg6tX5WnD15Qg=; b=jNMxXBOb63a68Wvj0k6kZA6W2mZs3Z6p50BEy/9a0e4b7n5EsLBevupma8upyRJOxr 6K1ju6oFINunN5536vMhAt+IRSC2dDYEgdmJp9YiK6UdqiE7ayC+XloX6ZVKmIz1Cmsi E17q+z9VMu7LFrI4tbABND7jc4Q4daON6mr2c= Received: by 10.52.95.238 with SMTP id dn14mr195257vdb.1.1343395226756; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:20:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.119.137 with SMTP id z9ls2079190vcq.2.gmail; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.69.241 with SMTP id h17mr3982045vdu.5.1343395226325; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.69.241 with SMTP id h17mr3982044vdu.5.1343395226307; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com (mail-vc0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y20si300660vdd.0.2012.07.27.06.20.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.181; Received: by vcbfl17 with SMTP id fl17so2934568vcb.40 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:20:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.150.15 with SMTP id w15mr2329336vcv.68.1343395226121; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.68.42 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:20:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <500D51B8.3020006@gmx.de> <500D58DA.7040107@gmx.de> <500D60F7.8030708@gmx.de> <500ECA45.3040609@gmx.de> <5011AB5A.2060505@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:20:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la snime blabi From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043891153ef59c04c5cf93a9 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d043891153ef59c04c5cf93a9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wro= te: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:40 PM, selpa'i wrote: > > Am 26.07.2012 21:19, schrieb Michael Turniansky: > > > > " ni'o ba na'e zu ku ca lo vanci lo ze torcrida cu xruti lo zdani gi'e > mutce > > lo ka se spaji kei ca lo nu viska lo nu la snime blabi cu cpana lo lold= i > > gi'e na muvdu fi'o selmlu lo ka morsi " > > It seems like you are trying to say "not long after..." but > unfortunately, > > "ba na'e zu" is not grammatical "ba nai zu" is, but may not mean what = we > > want. I expect you would be better off simply doing "ba za" or "ba zi"= . > > > > I don't see the problem. NAhE TAG is grammatical, and so is na'e zu. > > "ba [ku] na'e zu ku" is grammatical, but some parsers have trouble > with the elided "ku" in such cases. camxes parses it fine though. > Probably what gejyspa meant is that "ba na'e zu" does not parse as a > single compound tense the way "ba zu" does. This would be solved by > this proposal: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Internal+grammar+of+tags > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > mi ckire do lo ka krici tu'a mi kei doi xorxes .iku'isa'u mi je'u uinairo'e na morji lo du'u ka'e pilno cei broda zo na'e ce'o lo cmavo be zoi gy tense gy .i mi no roi broda .i mi pilno zo na'e tu'a fu'e po'o lo selbri ku jo'u lo sumti .i da'i mi djica lo nu dutygau lo cmavo .ibo mi pilno zo nai .i mi ckire re do lo nu mojgau mi --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at= 6:28 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:40 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
> Am 26.07.2012 2= 1:19, schrieb Michael Turniansky:
>
> " ni'o ba na'e zu ku ca lo vanci lo ze torcrida cu xruti = lo zdani gi'e mutce
> lo ka se spaji kei ca lo nu viska lo nu la snime blabi cu cpana lo lol= di
> gi'e na muvdu fi'o selmlu lo ka morsi "
> =A0 It seems like you are trying to say "not long after..." = but unfortunately,
> "ba na'e zu" is not grammatical =A0"ba nai zu"= is, but may not mean what we
> want. =A0I expect you would be better off simply doing "ba za&quo= t; or "ba zi".
>
> I don't see the problem. NAhE TAG is grammatical, and so is na'= ;e zu.

"ba [ku] na'e zu ku" is grammatical, but some parsers h= ave trouble
with the elided "ku" in such cases. camxes parses it fine though.=
Probably what gejyspa meant is that "ba na'e zu" does not par= se as a
single compound tense the way "ba zu" does. This would be solved = by
this proposal: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Internal+grammar+of+tags

mu'o mi'e xorxes



=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa

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