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Le vendredi 27 juillet 2012 04:03:33 UTC+2, Pierre Abbat a =E9crit :
>
>
> It's still there, for any francophone lojbanist to send messages to other=
=20
> francophone lojbanists. The last message (ignoring the monthly reminders,=
=20
> which on my computer get filtered somewhere else) was sent by Robin in=20
> English to the announce list, which forwards to several other lists.=20
>
> Ok, I'll definitely subscribe.
=20

> You could look up the word in an English dictionary, or a Hungarian=20
> dictionary, or a Russian dictionary and find what you want. If you looked=
=20
> it=20
> up in a Tzutujil or Seri or Navajo dictionary, you would probably come up=
=20
> empty.=20
>
> This is a great example. And in these last languages I'd start to build=
=20
some new word, from other words of the language or by borrowing foreign=20
words or maybe another mechanisms.
And in lojban we have exactly the first 2 mechanisms, lujvo and fu'ivla.=20
Understood.
=20

> The definition of "klesi" (x1 is a class[...] within x2 with defining=20
> property=20
> x3) doesn't fit the computer definition of "class" at all. A CS class is =
a=20
> type (variables of the type can be created) with some associated methods=
=20
> (functions) and members (like a structure, not a set). The reason I=20
> highlighted the methods is that without them, a class is just a struct=20
> (although in C++, a struct is just a class with the default being public)=
.=20
> An=20
> example of a klesi is the set of languages in which the subject usually=
=20
> precedes the verb.=20
>
> I think I've understood, klesi is a class/category etc. defined by a=20
predicate (klesi3), not by an enumeration of its content.
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<br><br>Le vendredi 27 juillet 2012 04:03:33 UTC+2, Pierre Abbat a =E9crit&=
nbsp;:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8=
ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><br>It's still there, fo=
r any francophone lojbanist to send messages to other=20
<br>francophone lojbanists. The last message (ignoring the monthly reminder=
s,=20
<br>which on my computer get filtered somewhere else) was sent by Robin in=
=20
<br>English to the announce list, which forwards to several other lists.
<br>
<br></blockquote><div>Ok, I'll definitely subscribe.</div><div>&nbsp;</div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bor=
der-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">You could look up the word in =
an English dictionary, or a Hungarian=20
<br>dictionary, or a Russian dictionary and find what you want. If you look=
ed it=20
<br>up in a Tzutujil or Seri or Navajo dictionary, you would probably come =
up=20
<br>empty.
<br>
<br></blockquote><div>This is a great example. And in these last languages =
I'd start to build some new word, from other words of the language or by bo=
rrowing foreign words or maybe another mechanisms.</div><div>And in lojban =
we have exactly the first 2 mechanisms, lujvo and fu'ivla. Understood.</div=
><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;marg=
in-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">The definiti=
on of "klesi" (x1 is a class[...] within x2 with defining property=20
<br>x3) doesn't fit the computer definition of "class" at all. A CS class i=
s a=20
<br>type (variables of the type can be created) with some associated method=
s=20
<br>(functions) and members (like a structure, not a set). The reason I=20
<br>highlighted the methods is that without them, a class is just a struct=
=20
<br>(although in C++, a struct is just a class with the default being publi=
c). An=20
<br>example of a klesi is the set of languages in which the subject usually=
=20
<br>precedes the verb.
<br>
<br></blockquote><div>I think I've understood, klesi is a class/category et=
c. defined by a predicate (klesi3), not by an enumeration of its content.</=
div><div>&nbsp;</div>

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