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"lo torcrida ca lo nu tirna lo du'u ma kau pu fasnu cu cusku =ABlu lo tolci=
'o
te zarci cu me no na'e bo lo cevycau noltruni'u..."


I assume "ca lo nu tirna lo du'u ma kau pu fasnu" is intended to be "when
they heard what happened" .  But I have a few problems with it.  I don't
think you can "tirna" a "lo du'u"  And in any case, the import of the
sentence is really when they found out or were informed of what happened,
so I'd suggest "ca lo nu facki fi lo pu fasnu"  or "ca lo nu se jungau fo
lo pu fasnu" If you really want to emphasize the aural nature of their
information transfer, you could "do ca lo nu tirna tu'a lo pu fasnu" (also,
you might use "selfri" instead of "fasnu" in any of the above)

As for "...me no na'e bo lo cevycau noltruni'u"  That means the
tradesperson is one of the zero amount of non-"godless queen"  I understand
you are trying to go for "none other than the godless queen", but I don't
think you can do it that way.  You are trying to state someone is a member
of a 0 cardinality set, I believe.  I understand you want to get the
emphasis connoted by the original.  I think maybe   "lo tolci'o ja'a du lo
cevycau noltruni'u" would do the same.

   --gejyspa

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"line-height:18px;text-align:left;font-size:=
12px;font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif">&quot;lo torcrida ca lo nu tirna=
 lo du&#39;u ma kau pu fasnu cu cusku =ABlu lo tolci&#39;o te zarci cu me n=
o na&#39;e bo lo cevycau noltruni&#39;u...&quot;</span><div>

<span style=3D"line-height:18px;text-align:left;font-size:12px;font-family:=
Verdana,Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"line-height:=
18px;text-align:left;font-size:12px;font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif"><=
br>

</span></div><div><span style=3D"line-height:18px;text-align:left;font-size=
:12px;font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif">I assume &quot;</span><span sty=
le=3D"line-height:18px;text-align:left;font-size:12px;font-family:Verdana,A=
rial,sans-serif">ca lo nu tirna lo du&#39;u ma kau pu fasnu&quot; is intend=
ed to be &quot;w</span><span style=3D"line-height:18px;text-align:left;font=
-size:12px;font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif">hen they heard what happen=
ed&quot; . =A0But I have a few problems with it. =A0I don&#39;t think you c=
an &quot;tirna&quot; a &quot;lo du&#39;u&quot; =A0And in any case, the impo=
rt of the sentence is really when they found out or were informed of what h=
appened, so I&#39;d suggest &quot;ca lo nu facki fi lo pu fasnu&quot; =A0or=
 &quot;ca lo nu se jungau fo lo pu fasnu&quot; If you really want to emphas=
ize the aural nature of their information transfer, you could &quot;do ca l=
o nu tirna tu&#39;a lo pu fasnu&quot; (also, you might use &quot;selfri&quo=
t; instead of &quot;fasnu&quot; in any of the above)</span></div>

<div><span style=3D"line-height:18px;text-align:left;font-size:12px;font-fa=
mily:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"line-he=
ight:18px;text-align:left;font-size:12px;font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-ser=
if">As for &quot;...me no na&#39;e bo </span><span style=3D"background-colo=
r:rgb(255,255,255);text-align:left"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, sans-seri=
f"><span style=3D"font-size:12px;line-height:18px">lo cevycau noltruni&#39;=
u&quot; =A0That means the tradesperson is one of the zero amount of non-&qu=
ot;godless queen&quot; =A0I understand you are trying to go for &quot;none =
other than the godless queen&quot;, but I don&#39;t think you can do it tha=
t way. =A0You are trying to state someone is a member of a 0 cardinality se=
t, I believe. =A0I=A0understand=A0you want to get the emphasis connoted by =
the original. =A0I think maybe =A0 &quot;</span></font></span><font face=3D=
"Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:12px;line-height:18px=
">lo tolci&#39;o ja&#39;a du lo cevycau noltruni&#39;u&quot; would do the s=
ame.</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
x;line-height:18px"><br></span></font></div><div><font face=3D"Verdana, Ari=
al, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:12px;line-height:18px">=A0 =A0--ge=
jyspa</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
x;line-height:18px"><br></span></font></div>
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