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Le vendredi 27 juillet 2012 18:31:19 UTC+2, lojbab a =E9crit :
>
>
> As one of the main founders of Lojban, I freely admit to not being a=20
> linguist - never a course in the subject, though I've read a few books=20
> now - but after starting on Lojban.  Indeed, since you are bilingual in=
=20
> English and French (and perhaps others), you are more of a linguist than=
=20
> I am.  (I have some rudimentary Russian, but not nearly as good as your=
=20
> English, and I didn't even know that when Lojban started.)=20
>
>
I naively thought that all major contributors were linguists!
=20

> So, go ahead and invent words, and just be prepared for someone to ask=20
> you to clarify, if they are unclear in meaning.  Even the most skilled=20
> among us will sometimes make poor words, but language is in nature=20
> interactive and we learn from making such mistakes.=20
>
> You and Pierre Arbat have greatly clarified the way to go. I just use=20
whatever I like in lojban and my design will be evaluated through the use=
=20
and feedback of other people.
This is something a bit new for a French native as we have a very strong=20
tradition of normalization by an authority (the French Academy dates back=
=20
to something like the 18th century if I remember well). As a recent=20
example, a lot of technical words these last 50 years are born in English=
=20
and the use of the English word have been officially banned and replaced by=
=20
French substitutes (like "courriel" for "e-mail" because "mail" in French=
=20
is "courrier"). Of course not everybody uses them, I guess that people with=
=20
no technical background are more inclined to use French equivalent that=20
people that see the English terms at work or in the course of their hobby.
Anyway, thanks for the clarifications! I go back to the study of the=20
reference grammar...
=20

> lojbab=20
> --=20
> Bob LeChevalier    lojbab@lojban.org    www.lojban.org=20
> President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.=20
>
>

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<br><br>Le vendredi 27 juillet 2012 18:31:19 UTC+2, lojbab a =E9crit&nbsp;:=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bor=
der-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><br>As one of the main founder=
s of Lojban, I freely admit to not being a=20
<br>linguist - never a course in the subject, though I've read a few books=
=20
<br>now - but after starting on Lojban. &nbsp;Indeed, since you are bilingu=
al in=20
<br>English and French (and perhaps others), you are more of a linguist tha=
n=20
<br>I am. &nbsp;(I have some rudimentary Russian, but not nearly as good as=
 your=20
<br>English, and I didn't even know that when Lojban started.)
<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I naively thought that all major contr=
ibutors were linguists!</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left: 1ex;">So, go ahead and invent words, and just be prepared for som=
eone to ask=20
<br>you to clarify, if they are unclear in meaning. &nbsp;Even the most ski=
lled=20
<br>among us will sometimes make poor words, but language is in nature=20
<br>interactive and we learn from making such mistakes.
<br>
<br></blockquote><div>You and Pierre Arbat have greatly clarified the way t=
o go. I just use whatever I like in lojban and my design will be evaluated =
through the use and feedback of other people.</div><div>This is something a=
 bit new for a French native as we have a very strong tradition of normaliz=
ation by an authority (the French Academy dates back to something like the =
18th century if I remember well). As a recent example, a lot of technical w=
ords these last 50 years are born in English and the use of the English wor=
d have been officially banned and replaced by French substitutes (like "cou=
rriel" for "e-mail" because "mail" in French is "courrier"). Of course not =
everybody uses them, I guess that people with no technical background are m=
ore inclined to use French equivalent that people that see the English term=
s at work or in the course of their hobby.</div><div>Anyway, thanks for the=
 clarifications! I go back to the study of the reference grammar...</div><d=
iv>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-=
left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">lojbab
<br>--=20
<br>Bob LeChevalier &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:lojbab@lojban.org" targe=
t=3D"_blank">lojbab@lojban.org</a> &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href=3D"http://www.lojba=
n.org" target=3D"_blank">www.lojban.org</a>
<br>President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.
<br>
<br></blockquote>

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