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On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
> "lo torcrida ca lo nu tirna lo du'u ma kau pu fasnu cu cusku =ABlu lo tol=
ci'o
> te zarci cu me no na'e bo lo cevycau noltruni'u..."
>
> I assume "ca lo nu tirna lo du'u ma kau pu fasnu" is intended to be "when
> they heard what happened" .  But I have a few problems with it.  I don't
> think you can "tirna" a "lo du'u"

Presumably you could say "ca lo nu tirna lo se du'u ma kau pu fasnu".

> And in any case, the import of the
> sentence is really when they found out or were informed of what happened,=
 so
> I'd suggest "ca lo nu facki fi lo pu fasnu"  or "ca lo nu se jungau fo lo=
 pu
> fasnu" If you really want to emphasize the aural nature of their informat=
ion
> transfer, you could "do ca lo nu tirna tu'a lo pu fasnu" (also, you might
> use "selfri" instead of "fasnu" in any of the above)

Or "ca lo nu facki lo du'u ma kau fasnu".

> As for "...me no na'e bo lo cevycau noltruni'u"  That means the tradesper=
son
> is one of the zero amount of non-"godless queen"  I understand you are
> trying to go for "none other than the godless queen", but I don't think y=
ou
> can do it that way.  You are trying to state someone is a member of a 0
> cardinality set, I believe.  I understand you want to get the emphasis
> connoted by the original.  I think maybe   "lo tolci'o ja'a du lo cevycau
> noltruni'u" would do the same.

"... du no na'e bo lo cevycau noltruni'u" does work though.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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