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On Friday 27 July 2012 16:03:10 Bruno Durin wrote:
> You and Pierre Arbat have greatly clarified the way to go. I just use
> whatever I like in lojban and my design will be evaluated through the use
> and feedback of other people.
> This is something a bit new for a French native as we have a very strong
> tradition of normalization by an authority (the French Academy dates back
> to something like the 18th century if I remember well). As a recent
> example, a lot of technical words these last 50 years are born in English
> and the use of the English word have been officially banned and replaced =
by
> French substitutes (like "courriel" for "e-mail" because "mail" in French
> is "courrier"). Of course not everybody uses them, I guess that people wi=
th
> no technical background are more inclined to use French equivalent that
> people that see the English terms at work or in the course of their hobby=
.
> Anyway, thanks for the clarifications! I go back to the study of the
> reference grammar...

I'm not a bat :)

I see English computer terms in Spanish sentences and it just sounds wrong =
to=20
me. I'd rather see "logicial" than "software". I've used "corriel" in Spani=
sh=20
with no problem. I've also used "vepecista" (mail-order seller), which I ha=
d=20
to explain, but the acronym "VPC" makes equally good sense in Spanish and=
=20
French.

There is an Icelandic academy, which tries hard to keep non-Germanic=20
influences out of the language, but the word "f=EDll" (elephant) is from=20
Arabic. It entered the language in the Old Norse stage, so it's grandfather=
ed=20
in.

There is an authority of the Lojban language, namely the BPFK, but we're=20
currently concerned with updating the CLL, resolving inconsistencies,=20
defining unclear cmavo, and figuring out exactly what word forms are valid,=
=20
rather than forbidding words (on any basis other than phonotactic or=20
morphological) or coining new terms.

My opinion, which I've broken a few times, is that fu'ivla should be taken=
=20
from:
*The six source languages, e.g. makpapi (poppy) from Russian and English.
*Taxonomic names, e.g. tarksako or tarsako (depending on morphology)=20
(dandelion), from the genus name.
*Sounds, e.g. kuerporuile (whippoorwill) from the Spanish and English words=
,=20
which are both imitative. (bois-pourri in French)
*Local languages, e.g. turdunu (bullroarer) from some Australian language. =
I=20
tried "turndunu" first, but that's a type-3.

Pierre
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sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera

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