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There were discussions on how to say "out of".
http://nuzban.wiw.org/archive/9501/msg00080.html 
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Go+outside 
{fa'aze'o} says nothing about crossing the border. I can only think of 
{pagre} or just {klama}.

{pagre fi lo bartu be da fi da} or 
{klama lo bartu be vo'i}

Recently I've found a frequency dictionary of esperanto affixes and root 
words (mixed together). Here are top 50.
The list is largely unimportant for lojbanists. But look at #22. "out of" 
is among first 22 most frequent words of the language!
Seems like a possible flaw in lojban for not having such a short word. 
Hopefully "el" might have several meanings including simple {to'o}.
Still...

1 LA (the)
2 DE (of, from)
3 KAJ (and)
4 EN (in)
5 AL (to, towards)
6 MI (me, I)
7 ESTAS (am, is, are)
8 NE (no, not)
9 POR (for)
10 LI (he)
11 KE (conj. that)
12 PRI (about)
13 VI (you)
14 NI (we)
15 SED (but)
16 ESTIS (was, were)
17 ILI (they)
18 KUN (with)
19 KIU (who)
20 TIU (det. that)
21 TIO (pron. that)
22 EL (out of)
23 PLI (more)
24 KIEL (as)
25 ONI (pron. one)
26 ANKAU (also)
27 GHI (it)
28 PER (by, with)
29 SUR (on)
30 SE (if)
31 CHI (dem. this)
32 NUR (only)
33 DUM (during)
34 DIRIS (said)
35 POVAS (can)
36 DA (quant. of)
37 SHI (she)
38 KIUJ (which, pl.)
39 CHU (interrog.)
40 UNU (num. one)
41 KIAM (when)
42 NUN (now)
43 AU (or)
44 PRO (because of)
45 CHAR (because)
46 JAM (already)
47 NIA (our)
48 MIA (my)
49 CHE (at)
50 PLEJ (most)

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There were discussions on how to say "out of".<div><a href=3D"http://nuzban=
.wiw.org/archive/9501/msg00080.html">http://nuzban.wiw.org/archive/9501/msg=
00080.html</a>&nbsp;<br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Go=
+outside">http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Go+outside</a>&nbsp;<br></div><div>{fa=
'aze'o} says nothing about crossing the border. I can only think of {pagre}=
 or just {klama}.</div><div><br></div><div>{pagre fi lo bartu be da fi da} =
or&nbsp;<br></div><div>{klama lo bartu be vo'i}</div><div><br></div><div>Re=
cently I've found a frequency dictionary of esperanto affixes and root word=
s (mixed together). Here are top 50.</div><div>The list is largely unimport=
ant for lojbanists. But look at #22. "out of" is among first 22 most freque=
nt words of the language!</div><div>Seems like a possible flaw in lojban fo=
r not having such a short word. Hopefully "el" might have several meanings =
including simple {to'o}.</div><div>Still...</div><blockquote style=3D"margi=
n: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><div>1 LA (the)</div></div=
><div><div>2 DE (of, from)</div></div><div><div>3 KAJ (and)</div></div><div=
><div>4 EN (in)</div></div><div><div>5 AL (to, towards)</div></div><div><di=
v>6 MI (me, I)</div></div><div><div>7 ESTAS (am, is, are)</div></div><div><=
div>8 NE (no, not)</div></div><div><div>9 POR (for)</div></div><div><div>10=
 LI (he)</div></div><div><div>11 KE (conj. that)</div></div><div><div>12 PR=
I (about)</div></div><div><div>13 VI (you)</div></div><div><div>14 NI (we)<=
/div></div><div><div>15 SED (but)</div></div><div><div>16 ESTIS (was, were)=
</div></div><div><div>17 ILI (they)</div></div><div><div>18 KUN (with)</div=
></div><div><div>19 KIU (who)</div></div><div><div>20 TIU (det. that)</div>=
</div><div><div>21 TIO (pron. that)</div></div><div><div>22 EL (out of)</di=
v></div><div><div>23 PLI (more)</div></div><div><div>24 KIEL (as)</div></di=
v><div><div>25 ONI (pron. one)</div></div><div><div>26 ANKAU (also)</div></=
div><div><div>27 GHI (it)</div></div><div><div>28 PER (by, with)</div></div=
><div><div>29 SUR (on)</div></div><div><div>30 SE (if)</div></div><div><div=
>31 CHI (dem. this)</div></div><div><div>32 NUR (only)</div></div><div><div=
>33 DUM (during)</div></div><div><div>34 DIRIS (said)</div></div><div><div>=
35 POVAS (can)</div></div><div><div>36 DA (quant. of)</div></div><div><div>=
37 SHI (she)</div></div><div><div>38 KIUJ (which, pl.)</div></div><div><div=
>39 CHU (interrog.)</div></div><div><div>40 UNU (num. one)</div></div><div>=
<div>41 KIAM (when)</div></div><div><div>42 NUN (now)</div></div><div><div>=
43 AU (or)</div></div><div><div>44 PRO (because of)</div></div><div><div>45=
 CHAR (because)</div></div><div><div>46 JAM (already)</div></div><div><div>=
47 NIA (our)</div></div><div><div>48 MIA (my)</div></div><div><div>49 CHE (=
at)</div></div><div><div>50 PLEJ (most)</div></div></blockquote>

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