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Am 29.07.2012 18:36, schrieb Escape Landsome:
> Suppose I want to say : "He let the cat out of the bag"
>
> (whis is a metaphor for "He let out concealed information")
>
> How would I say that in Lojban ?
>
> *** Please consider this : ***
>
> I would like to keep the ability to make metaphors in Lojban.

You do have the ability to make metaphors in Lojban.

> So maybe, there should exist a way to say this in Lojban :
>
> "I let out (the cat + the concealed information) out of (the bag +
> what conceals)"

If you explain the metaphor while using it, what's the point of having 
the metaphor?
Still:
If {mi barcru lo mlatu lo dakli} means "I let out the cat out of the bag"

(1) mi barcru lo mlatu no'u lo se mipri lo dakli no'u lo gacri
     "I let out the cat, which is hidden, out of the sack, which is the 
conealer."

You could also say la mlatu, calling the hidden thing a cat but not 
claiming that it is one, and similarly la dakli.

Of course, this metaphor might not be understood by everybody from every 
country.

>
> in such a way that it would use a special construction that binds
> "cat" to "concealed info", and "bag" to "concealment".  Thus, using
> some other construction which I write here as "*", one could say
> further :
>
> "The *cat was interesting enough"
>
> which would be understood as
>
> "The (concealed information) was interesting"

I don't understand why a "cat" should be used in this sentence. What's 
the point?
If I understand correctly, you want to systematically import this (and 
maybe other) metaphors for regular use (as in, following a rule) in any 
desired context.
If people started using lo mlatu (or la mlatu) to regularly refer to a 
concealed thing, Lojban might come dangerously close to natlang 
territory, where what you say and what you mean are often not the same 
thing.
Please explain your motivation for this.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

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