Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:42781)
	by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128)
	(Exim 4.76)
	(envelope-from <lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRDN6dWABRoEsPx3nQ@googlegroups.com>)
	id 1SvXQi-0006Kh-J2; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:37:39 -0700
Received: by ggke5 with SMTP id e5sf5613125ggk.16
        for <multiple recipients>; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:37:18 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
        d=googlegroups.com; s=beta;
        h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id
         :x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references:message-id:date:from:reply-to
         :subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender
         :x-original-authentication-results:precedence:mailing-list:list-id
         :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender
         :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type;
        bh=nnvgMxYBHZwWCTxJ8QVNowIAopZnACRwZfK1ksRdoLQ=;
        b=WdB5Lj9cz7zindyRYxxXE19A8AFzafrKAdscyG57CS8U7akJhldURQLytRx1aUtDiN
         ALUcSkRkE7mVrtZaVGMLcktoUtj8Ai63MD6fW+7ecEhxu3ekUGFJVtm9bzMzP2UCUS7J
         i2pFUMMpzJSI+ZfImDfmlhTxDXAE2bYvNBR90=
Received: by 10.68.233.226 with SMTP id tz2mr1408283pbc.13.1343583437652;
        Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:37:17 -0700 (PDT)
X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com
Received: by 10.68.229.8 with SMTP id sm8ls13897097pbc.0.gmail; Sun, 29 Jul
 2012 10:37:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.68.227.67 with SMTP id ry3mr1856864pbc.8.1343583436767;
        Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:37:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.68.227.67 with SMTP id ry3mr1856863pbc.8.1343583436755;
        Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:37:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from nm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com. [98.139.91.75])
        by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id vo7si2622325pbc.1.2012.07.29.10.37.16;
        Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:37:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.91.75 as permitted sender) client-ip=98.139.91.75;
Received: from [98.139.91.62] by nm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2012 17:37:16 -0000
Received: from [68.142.200.224] by tm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2012 17:37:16 -0000
Received: from [66.94.237.107] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2012 17:37:16 -0000
Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2012 17:37:16 -0000
X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3
X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 203937.53808.bm@omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com
Received: (qmail 65463 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2012 17:37:15 -0000
X-YMail-OSG: XNpUL9MVM1nDy3qWgJuVwpBeMtxctTOVBeYsuFlGWTuWQJG
 i7Xqx9ev6dWeaD1mb2wsCKmdH3dZfe0dGI2Jnr51eVoTuTyPBsrOlKt2PzEn
 lfgRLrzCTyohoQR1Ay6lu.zlVoBov54c2kPMlj7xnCeFjdLRZnLfTF2Qfus4
 XVjVXZLVadhNLUEQCnlYosnfh8Dm3xE0IygOZbqkwKienpXSHdofogatpMS8
 pCCkhUihzKFbVqqFKR.N6g1FfMXQdQOaILFL7U2BClIBjMlqe9ttlmchqR.R
 Wi5.bPYE0fxR6R69FsqCHEB9ITdKxbDFgpMAotSVKrnFXdDzIAc6VQn0t4bz
 CogfwBT.0p6cV1JrtTFGwYyBLiGdixmd7KF2ATaWuXbS6f__I4bAVXZNxBvh
 wz3eLiq_0FXJQ0AOxpjGcf8CX0pFMpEDysVqgzgAljfS1Da484dsWpKXEBkx
 pCrdfpzT86ZmZEDKXgisO27eB.zsS8KYXaXI31pYy.diJwoZalObnE4X8EnO
 Ndm6rRLPUKzDkAB94B1UIiqtYrTOn2fL1U_9tEehpQQi3iSSoo79FpEogHAJ
 gNDRN9QShfWx9ZmH6Zb_I9t.YW7ULkYb.9tgC1LqLfnml
Received: from [99.92.108.194] by web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:37:15 PDT
X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233
References: <1f5a4015-2150-46d6-804e-6f6c43c9acfa@googlegroups.com> <1343578731.76088.YahooMailNeo@web184403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <CAGO2uOOu6tnL6WFwmQkZOE3xik+dYyA6XPWuo4c2OvBc2oz7yw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1343583435.28651.YahooMailNeo@web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:37:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban] What's the current situation with Chomsky's grammar for Lojban?
To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" <lojban@googlegroups.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAGO2uOOu6tnL6WFwmQkZOE3xik+dYyA6XPWuo4c2OvBc2oz7yw@mail.gmail.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com
X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com:
 best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.91.75
 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com
List-ID: <lojban.googlegroups.com>
X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417
List-Post: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/post?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com>
List-Help: <http://groups.google.com/support/?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban+help@googlegroups.com>
List-Archive: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en_US>
Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com
List-Subscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/subscribe?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban+subscribe@googlegroups.com>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/subscribe?hl=en_US>, <mailto:googlegroups-manage+1004133512417+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-334495122-84667295-1343583435=:28651"
X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/)
X-Spam_score: 0.0
X-Spam_score_int: 0
X-Spam_bar: /

---334495122-84667295-1343583435=:28651
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Despite your remark, Linguistics still seems to live pretty much in the '70=
s.=A0 The details of theories have been worked through more thoroughly, the=
 relative prominence of different approaches have shifted (without any bein=
g obliterated -- Social Science are hard to tell from Philosophy sometimes)=
 and the mechanical implementation of techniques has vastly improved.=A0 Bu=
t there are still just item-and-process and item-and-arrangement vying with=
 one another.=A0 Unification grammar, despite its name, doesn't seem to be =
either holistic nor a blend of the two approaches, but rather an elaboratio=
n of the Chomskian theme.=A0 (Note: I haven't delved into recent detail muc=
h, so this may be off base by some considerable degree.=A0 But, if it is, t=
he jargon has become terribly misleading.)



________________________________
 From: Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] What's the current situation with Chomsky's grammar f=
or Lojban?
=20
From a linguist's viewpoint, in today Linguistics, chomskyan grammars
are has-been.

They are supeseded by unification grammars.

And maybe, in some more years, cognitive grammars will render
unification grammars obsolete.

You still live in the 70's ?

--=20
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou=
ps.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban=
?hl=3Den.

--=20
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou=
ps.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban=
?hl=3Den.


---334495122-84667295-1343583435=:28651
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Despite yo=
ur remark, Linguistics still seems to live pretty much in the '70s.&nbsp; T=
he details of theories have been worked through more thoroughly, the relati=
ve prominence of different approaches have shifted (without any being oblit=
erated -- Social Science are hard to tell from Philosophy sometimes) and th=
e mechanical implementation of techniques has vastly improved.&nbsp; But th=
ere are still just item-and-process and item-and-arrangement vying with one=
 another.&nbsp; Unification grammar, despite its name, doesn't seem to be e=
ither holistic nor a blend of the two approaches, but rather an elaboration=
 of the Chomskian theme.&nbsp; (Note: I haven't delved into recent detail m=
uch, so this may be off base by some considerable degree.&nbsp; But, if it =
is, the jargon has become terribly
 misleading.)<br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: t=
imes new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"fo=
nt-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div=
 dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span st=
yle=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Escape Landsome &lt;escaaape@gma=
il.com&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@=
googlegroups.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b=
> Sunday, July 29, 2012 11:31 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">=
Subject:</span></b> Re: [lojban] What's the current situation with Chomsky'=
s grammar for Lojban?<br> </font> </div> <br>
From a linguist's viewpoint, in today Linguistics, chomskyan grammars<br>ar=
e has-been.<br><br>They are supeseded by unification grammars.<br><br>And m=
aybe, in some more years, cognitive grammars will render<br>unification gra=
mmars obsolete.<br><br>You still live in the 70's ?<br><br>-- <br>You recei=
ved this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" g=
roup.<br>To post to this group, send email to <a ymailto=3D"mailto:lojban@g=
ooglegroups.com" href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com">lojban@googlegroup=
s.com</a>.<br>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+<a ymail=
to=3D"mailto:unsubscribe@googlegroups.com" href=3D"mailto:unsubscribe@googl=
egroups.com">unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>For more options, visit t=
his group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den.<br><br><br><br>=
 </div> </div>  </div></body></html>

<p></p>

-- <br />
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
lojban" group.<br />
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.<br />
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou=
ps.com.<br />

For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban=
?hl=3Den.<br />



---334495122-84667295-1343583435=:28651--