Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:56894) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Svajw-0007o8-3T; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:09:34 -0700 Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4sf2527089bkw.16 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:09:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id :date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VLqvowy4fUg7shMNQKbh/hcE6sPEgDm9FX9q02YBzS8=; b=JWrzXwUEniHxyqx3FeGh7efzUk4H5M5BqkUJpGfbY7ItJNmd9vh2VF9s+CERI1nr8E +QJLCr+g5a62iR3trMzxYG0AXEQiG2Z/OuE6yKiZzqWV8oGILdBbpyIQiQzs32F9F+6m J7slOxDjZcRRkWcDjhWOcQBjuzFqIWqaFlsww= Received: by 10.180.105.163 with SMTP id gn3mr14499wib.0.1343596160149; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:09:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.145.67 with SMTP id o45ls4978190wej.7.gmail; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.73.146 with SMTP id l18mr1511854wiv.4.1343596158198; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.73.146 with SMTP id l18mr1511853wiv.4.1343596158189; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net. [213.165.64.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id fb20si1408655wid.3.2012.07.29.14.09.18; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.22; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Jul 2012 21:09:17 -0000 Received: from p57A096BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.150.189] by mail.gmx.net (mp010) with SMTP; 29 Jul 2012 23:09:17 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+f+w86QKqf923ozfM6TSFf2q4vnB6+nLI9TtMtHn aaG199T+x/CwrQ Message-ID: <5015A67B.40907@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:09:15 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] tanru and {co'e} mystery References: <6f0007ac-a237-4180-9531-e8f4982cbe6b@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Am 29.07.2012 22:19, schrieb Stela Selckiku: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Gleki Arxokuna > wrote: >> Are there other equivalents of semantically mysterious tanru in Lojban? >> Is there any relation between >> {broda brode} and {lo broda cu co'e lo brode}? > > I've always felt that {broda brode} is equivalent to {brode do'e lo > broda} and that {do'e} is the same as {fi'o co'e}, but that's just my > opinion. I define {broda brode} as: la'e =ABlu broda brode li'u=BB dunli la'e su'o lu'a =ABlu brode do'e lo broda li'u=BB ce =ABlu brode do'e lo jai broda li'u=BB ce =ABlu brode do'e la'e lo broda li'u=BB ce =ABlu brode do'e lo su'u broda li'u=BB ce =ABlu brode gi'e broda li'u=BB ce =ABlu brode je broda li'u=BB ce =ABlu brode joi broda li'u=BB ce =ABlu brode jo'u broda li'u=BB ce =ABlu me lo brode poi broda li'u=BB This definition can be extended, of course, but a similar one been the=20 basis of my veljvo -> lujvo place structure conversion algorithm, so it=20 generally works. I don't think it's anything but fact that do'e =3D fi'o co'e, just like=20 cu'e =3D fi'o mo. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.