Received: from mail-qc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:33890) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sves8-0000aQ-RZ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:34:18 -0700 Received: by qcac11 with SMTP id c11sf5945873qca.16 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:34:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=iddbQ0gkLyUTJuwNOzpeMXg3QlHgNLCNWioJfxXGRvY=; b=gdx6bLHqxwnkxgodVpy8ichFcY74XRCOzAZOVFOSVBMrrd1JcTjs/UkptAMLZXvUxl tMMREHcFD4UjkRHhuVS0dsx2m5tIAzqDKKoKXKKJXhav0EAU/JaGxufNNm+7dCMB4Sx1 MX147kl8dUsps7TmqdXFUbqoOAowbbfzsog1w= Received: by 10.52.23.65 with SMTP id k1mr790950vdf.7.1343612046042; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:34:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.35.202 with SMTP id k10ls3296820vdj.0.gmail; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.179.69 with SMTP id de5mr13725287vdc.7.1343612044704; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.179.69 with SMTP id de5mr13725286vdc.7.1343612044691; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f178.google.com (mail-vc0-f178.google.com [209.85.220.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y4si1184007vds.2.2012.07.29.18.34.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.178; Received: by vcbf13 with SMTP id f13so5056707vcb.23 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.95.110 with SMTP id dj14mr8275976vdb.69.1343612044561; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:34:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.24.193 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:33:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201207272301.36536.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <8d54c277-557f-42cd-a917-291445f41383@googlegroups.com> <201207272301.36536.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Jacob Errington Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:33:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: racli/ralci To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3071cde8a1cd0c04c6020e85 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf3071cde8a1cd0c04c6020e85 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No one raised fetsi/festi ? Or/tsani stani ? Or tinsa/tisna ? If we're going to play with voiced/unvoiced, why not gugde/kukte ? Or hey stani/zdani ? Lojban is full of this and anyone with any kind of speech disorder/impediment/whatever-it's-called will probably have a bit more trouble than in a natural language, but of course Lojban has other benefits or advantages versus other languages, so it's all a matter of perspective, not to mention that it's hardly likely that this will ever be mixed. (The morphology seems rather set in stone.) mu'o mi'e la stani On 27 July 2012 23:01, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Friday 27 July 2012 22:19:42 la .lindar. wrote: > > kalci - kelci > > ractu - ratcu > > cirla - cilre > > simsa - simlu > > garna - grana > junla - julne > simlu - simxu > cmaci - jmaji > > The ones that keep confusing me are "ratcu/ractu" (both mammals, and > lagomorphs were classified within the rodents) and "grana/garna" > (significant > overlap of extension). The others don't bother me as much. If someone sai= d > "I > put my goat on because it's gold", you can figure out what he meant. > > Pierre > > -- > La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. > Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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If we&= #39;re going to play with voiced/unvoiced, why not gugde/kukte ? Or hey sta= ni/zdani ?

Lojban is full of this and anyone with any kind of speech= disorder/impediment/whatever-it's-called will probably have a bit more= trouble than in a natural language, but of course Lojban has other benefit= s or advantages versus other languages, so it's all a matter of perspec= tive, not to mention that it's hardly likely that this will ever be mix= ed. (The morphology seems rather set in stone.)

mu'o mi'e la stani

On 27 July 2012 23:01, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Friday 27 July 2012 22:= 19:42 la .lindar. wrote:
> kalci - kelci
> ractu - ratcu
> cirla - cilre
> simsa - simlu

garna - grana
junla - julne
simlu - simxu
cmaci - jmaji

The ones that keep confusing me are "ratcu/ractu" (both mammals, = and
lagomorphs were classified within the rodents) and "grana/garna" = (significant
overlap of extension). The others don't bother me as much. If someone s= aid "I
put my goat on because it's gold", you can figure out what he mean= t.

Pierre

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La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre.
Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.

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