hile the m= orphology is set in stone, LoCCan3 (which, admittedly, does meditate on fid= dling with the morphology, too) considered redoing the vocabulary, which is= largely happenstantial, though with some thought given to various sorts of= easy confusions. Someone worked once -- I have no idea who or when, = now, or where it might be stored -- the number of CCV/CVCCV forms wit= h all the Lojban constraints which would avoid all the obvious problems (th= ough what is obvious varies from person to person, culture to culture,etc.)= and came up with a number rather lower than the number of gismu now in use= . I remember that care was taken about voiced/voiceless, about simple= order shifts in clusters, about /r/ vs both /l/ and /x/, but I think there= were other factors. Anyone remember -- or can suggest -- others? Maybe CC/C exchanges? And something about vowels= , too, but I don't remember what.

From: Jacob Erring= ton <nictytan@gmail.com>
To= : lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: racli/ralci

No one raised fetsi/festi ? Or/tsani stani ? Or ti= nsa/tisna ?

If we're going to play with voiced/unvoiced, why not = gugde/kukte ? Or hey stani/zdani ?

Lojban is full of this and anyone= with any kind of speech disorder/impediment/whatever-it's-called will prob= ably have a bit more trouble than in a natural language, but of course Lojb= an has other benefits or advantages versus other languages, so it's all a m= atter of perspective, not to mention that it's hardly likely that this will= ever be mixed. (The morphology seems rather set in stone.)

mu'o mi'e la stani

On 27 July 2012 23:01, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

O= n Friday 27 July 2012 22:19:42 la .lindar. wrote:
> kalci - kelci
> ractu - ratcu
> cirla - cilre
> simsa - simlu

garna - grana
junla - julne
simlu - simxu
cmaci - jmaji

The ones that keep confusing me are "ratcu/ractu" (both mammals, and
lagomorphs were classified within the rodents) and "grana/garna" (significa= nt
overlap of extension). The others don't bother me as much. If someone said = "I
put my goat on because it's gold", you can figure out what he meant.

Pierre

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