Received: from mail-gh0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:40033) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Svlqh-0002rv-Q9; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:01:20 -0700 Received: by ghbf16 with SMTP id f16sf6270174ghb.16 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:01:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=wAtqSNsm3NdJ9e6ClCMYE/MriPJb6Sm/ofRvS7AUvcs=; b=OY+fHnMdtiv6thS7L6bJBqUu1tCRWD0634yAB9NfUyB7ggdMz3pkFD3Sp1PvHv5MYL U8llJNLBugJytZWiTZmuFTxnKY0p16vutF0iLeZzbljL1qeXJmoVMza1fsJ2544kGAOg IzPQQivIf8quNfVY6jIfhszRadybPUmaPM+rA= Received: by 10.52.95.238 with SMTP id dn14mr826185vdb.1.1343638864883; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:01:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.88.68 with SMTP id be4ls3424701vdb.3.gmail; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.24.68 with SMTP id s4mr14652101vdf.3.1343638864084; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.24.68 with SMTP id s4mr14652100vdf.3.1343638864075; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f173.google.com (mail-vc0-f173.google.com [209.85.220.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m9si1301374vdg.3.2012.07.30.02.01.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.173; Received: by vcbfl15 with SMTP id fl15so4193039vcb.4 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:01:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.214.8 with SMTP id gy8mr10295442vcb.45.1343638863965; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.58.75.202 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:01:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <50156C53.802@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:01:03 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] again about "out of" From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On 30 July 2012 09:37, Escape Landsome wrote: > Now, either there is some cultural background common to everybody in > Lojbanistan (and the notions of lojban grammar are a part of such a > cultural background, so this background IS NON-EMPTY)... > > or that is not the case. > > In the former case, some metaphors should be possible to carry out. > > In the latter, no metaphor can be produced, but at least some new > construction whose goal would be "to introduce instant and temporary > metaphors that have meaning during the interaction", should be > feasible. > > I would say ( // and * would be two new lojban words ) : > > "You really let the cat//info out-of the bag//concealment !" > > And you would reply > > "But the *cat was nearly dead..." You don't have to mark "cat" and "bag" separately as a metaphor. You can mark your whole sentence as a metaphor: add {pe'a} at the beginning. mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.