Received: from mail-ey0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]:59233) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Svn9A-0003RV-1n; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:24:27 -0700 Received: by eaao11 with SMTP id o11sf2018502eaa.16 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:24:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id :date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=6lMQXLTjoSJGgCzClMjFElFekrvfkbX1fjre/ucrrao=; b=OG8uwjZL57caEUXQSYs54Tad/ePqHMEZtiGQ1b8M7mgdDTIfidy5HGayqhr/CAd+AR EB8CkwkQGcrPdmv5wU15hOk/035DHktPs4z41tpYmQzlde4LDMQ09k+X4+uUyNxNAkfR Sp5BDWVt4bmqCx/CBPY7cgoRZvoghshep9EV0= Received: by 10.180.84.230 with SMTP id c6mr1889260wiz.2.1343643852506; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:24:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.211.133 with SMTP id w5ls5291581weo.8.gmail; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.107.167 with SMTP id hd7mr1839215wib.0.1343643850742; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.107.167 with SMTP id hd7mr1839214wib.0.1343643850725; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net. [213.165.64.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id bb7si1791901wib.2.2012.07.30.03.24.10; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.22; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Jul 2012 10:24:10 -0000 Received: from p57A09902.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.153.2] by mail.gmx.net (mp040) with SMTP; 30 Jul 2012 12:24:10 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+MXAwUse6M+Prs+UpAsiSbqsuelttQrrxyhS8BGW SF8jFBGE4AYNfh Message-ID: <501660C8.3030908@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:24:08 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: again about "out of" References: In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020205020002090806040206" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020205020002090806040206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Am 30.07.2012 12:15, schrieb Jacob Errington: > On 29 July 2012 23:13, la .lindar. > wrote: > > I'm sure selpa'i and tsani and all of that lot are going to tease > me endlessly for this, but I came up with an experimental cmavo a > while back when I did the BPFK work that addressed this very problem. > > {te'i} from {to'e nenri} or {to'e + ne'i}. > > It marks of what something is outside. > > > {to'e ne'i} as one cmavo doesn't sound like a bad idea at all, and is > likely to be added to the language, officially, I'd say. In fact, I've > used {to'e ne'i} before, on more than one occasion. Yes, it's useful. However, it doesn't help for "walk out of the forest". The thing tagged by {te'i} or {to'e ne'i} doesn't talk about where you are coming from. I've used {to'o ne'i} "away from inside": mi cadzu to'o ne'i lo ricfoi. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --------------020205020002090806040206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Am 30.07.2012 12:15, schrieb Jacob Errington:
On 29 July 2012 23:13, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm sure selpa'i and tsani and all of that lot are going to tease me endlessly for this, but I came up with an experimental cmavo a while back when I did the BPFK work that addressed this very problem.

{te'i} from {to'e nenri} or {to'e + ne'i}.

It marks of what something is outside.

{to'e ne'i} as one cmavo doesn't sound like a bad idea at all, and is likely to be added to the language, officially, I'd say. In fact, I've used {to'e ne'i} before, on more than one occasion.

Yes, it's useful. However, it doesn't help for "walk out of the forest". The thing tagged by {te'i} or {to'e ne'i} doesn't talk about where you are coming from. I've used {to'o ne'i} "away from inside": mi cadzu to'o ne'i lo ricfoi.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

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