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On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:24:08 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
>
>  Am 30.07.2012 12:15, schrieb Jacob Errington:
>  
> On 29 July 2012 23:13, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>> I'm sure selpa'i and tsani and all of that lot are going to tease me 
>> endlessly for this, but I came up with an experimental cmavo a while back 
>> when I did the BPFK work that addressed this very problem. 
>>
>>  {te'i} from {to'e nenri} or {to'e + ne'i}.
>>
>>  It marks of what something is outside.
>>
>
>  {to'e ne'i} as one cmavo doesn't sound like a bad idea at all, and is 
> likely to be added to the language, officially, I'd say. In fact, I've used 
> {to'e ne'i} before, on more than one occasion.
>  
>
> Yes, it's useful. However, it doesn't help for "walk out of the forest". 
> The thing tagged by {te'i} or {to'e ne'i} doesn't talk about where you are 
> coming from. I've used {to'o ne'i} "away from inside": mi cadzu to'o ne'i 
> lo ricfoi.
>
+1 for {to'o ne'i}.
Still it's not neutral for a semantically neutral language to have a word 
for "inside" but not have the word for "outside".
Of course, this leads to another, more global question: for how long shall 
lojbanists invent new cmavo for the sake of symmetry making the learning of 
the language harder and harder due to to a huge list of words?
We should really search for better algorithms (like reusing gismu, 
rephrasing jufra instead of imitating European languages).


> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>
>  -- 
> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo
>
>  

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<br><br>On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:24:08 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:<blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: =
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    <div><tt>Am 30.07.2012 12:15, schrieb Jacob
        Errington:<br>
      </tt></div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"><tt>On 29 July 2012 23:13, la .lindar. <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lindarthebard@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">lindarthebard@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
        wrote:<br>
      </tt>
      <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
        <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><tt>
            I'm sure selpa'i and tsani and all of that lot are going to
            tease me endlessly for this, but I came up with an
            experimental cmavo a while back when I did the BPFK work
            that addressed this very problem.</tt>
          <div><tt><br>
            </tt></div>
          <div><tt>{te'i} from {to'e nenri} or {to'e + ne'i}.</tt></div>
          <div><tt><br>
            </tt></div>
          <div><tt>It marks of what something is outside.</tt></div>
        </blockquote>
        <div><tt><br>
          </tt></div>
        <div><tt>{to'e ne'i} as one cmavo doesn't sound like a bad idea
            at all, and is likely to be added to the language,
            officially, I'd say. In fact, I've used {to'e ne'i} before,
            on more than one occasion.</tt></div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <tt><br>
      Yes, it's useful. However, it doesn't help for "walk out of the
      forest". The thing tagged by {te'i} or {to'e ne'i} doesn't talk
      about where you are coming from. I've used {to'o ne'i} "away from
      inside": mi cadzu to'o ne'i lo ricfoi.<br></tt></div></blockquote><di=
v>+1 for {to'o ne'i}.</div><div>Still it's not neutral for a semantically n=
eutral language to have a word for "inside" but not have the word for "outs=
ide".</div><div>Of course, this leads to another, more global question: for=
 how long shall lojbanists invent new cmavo for the sake of symmetry making=
 the learning of the language harder and harder due to to a huge list of wo=
rds?</div><div>We should really search for better algorithms (like reusing =
gismu, rephrasing jufra instead of imitating European languages).</div><div=
><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left=
: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor=3D"#FF=
FFFF" text=3D"#000000"><tt>
      <br>
      mu'o mi'e la selpa'i<br>
      <br>
    </tt>
    <pre cols=3D"72"><tt>--=20
pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo</tt></p=
re>
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