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Why to'e nenri and not se nenri, just out of curiosity?

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com
> wrote:

>
>
> On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:24:08 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
>>
>>  Am 30.07.2012 12:15, schrieb Jacob Errington:
>>
>> On 29 July 2012 23:13, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sure selpa'i and tsani and all of that lot are going to tease me
>>> endlessly for this, but I came up with an experimental cmavo a while back
>>> when I did the BPFK work that addressed this very problem.
>>>
>>>  {te'i} from {to'e nenri} or {to'e + ne'i}.
>>>
>>>  It marks of what something is outside.
>>>
>>
>>  {to'e ne'i} as one cmavo doesn't sound like a bad idea at all, and is
>> likely to be added to the language, officially, I'd say. In fact, I've used
>> {to'e ne'i} before, on more than one occasion.
>>
>>
>> Yes, it's useful. However, it doesn't help for "walk out of the forest".
>> The thing tagged by {te'i} or {to'e ne'i} doesn't talk about where you are
>> coming from. I've used {to'o ne'i} "away from inside": mi cadzu to'o ne'i
>> lo ricfoi.
>>
> +1 for {to'o ne'i}.
> Still it's not neutral for a semantically neutral language to have a word
> for "inside" but not have the word for "outside".
> Of course, this leads to another, more global question: for how long shall
> lojbanists invent new cmavo for the sake of symmetry making the learning of
> the language harder and harder due to to a huge list of words?
> We should really search for better algorithms (like reusing gismu,
> rephrasing jufra instead of imitating European languages).
>
>
>> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>>
>>  --
>> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo
>>
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Why to&#39;e nenri and not se nenri, just out of curiosity?<br><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"><br><br>On Monday, July 30=
, 2012 2:24:08 PM UTC+4, selpa&#39;i wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex">

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   =20
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  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    <div><tt>Am 30.07.2012 12:15, schrieb Jacob
        Errington:<br>
      </tt></div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"><tt>On 29 July 2012 23:13, la .lindar. <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lindarthebard@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">lindarthebard@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
        wrote:<br>
      </tt>
      <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
        <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><tt>
            I&#39;m sure selpa&#39;i and tsani and all of that lot are goin=
g to
            tease me endlessly for this, but I came up with an
            experimental cmavo a while back when I did the BPFK work
            that addressed this very problem.</tt>
          <div><tt><br>
            </tt></div>
          <div><tt>{te&#39;i} from {to&#39;e nenri} or {to&#39;e + ne&#39;i=
}.</tt></div>
          <div><tt><br>
            </tt></div>
          <div><tt>It marks of what something is outside.</tt></div>
        </blockquote>
        <div><tt><br>
          </tt></div>
        <div><tt>{to&#39;e ne&#39;i} as one cmavo doesn&#39;t sound like a =
bad idea
            at all, and is likely to be added to the language,
            officially, I&#39;d say. In fact, I&#39;ve used {to&#39;e ne&#3=
9;i} before,
            on more than one occasion.</tt></div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <tt><br>
      Yes, it&#39;s useful. However, it doesn&#39;t help for &quot;walk out=
 of the
      forest&quot;. The thing tagged by {te&#39;i} or {to&#39;e ne&#39;i} d=
oesn&#39;t talk
      about where you are coming from. I&#39;ve used {to&#39;o ne&#39;i} &q=
uot;away from
      inside&quot;: mi cadzu to&#39;o ne&#39;i lo ricfoi.<br></tt></div></b=
lockquote></div><div>+1 for {to&#39;o ne&#39;i}.</div><div>Still it&#39;s n=
ot neutral for a semantically neutral language to have a word for &quot;ins=
ide&quot; but not have the word for &quot;outside&quot;.</div>
<div>Of course, this leads to another, more global question: for how long s=
hall lojbanists invent new cmavo for the sake of symmetry making the learni=
ng of the language harder and harder due to to a huge list of words?</div>
<div>We should really search for better algorithms (like reusing gismu, rep=
hrasing jufra instead of imitating European languages).</div><div class=3D"=
im"><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;marg=
in-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><tt>
      <br>
      mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i<br>
      <br>
    </tt>
    <pre cols=3D"72"><tt>--=20
pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo</tt></p=
re>
  </div>

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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi=
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