Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:41795) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SwD9r-00068s-Oj; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:10:55 -0700 Received: by yenl13 with SMTP id l13sf7826157yen.16 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:10:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=NIiq9CDWN6LedVHSSEdaI70KgRjEkBuDUYaMyJr7FgE=; b=thmB08sxQTfub7c14TpVqNUq0pHD7Jz0UUWUqil8nlsea3a8SYtlrw5u95iVGblZAs /RkmED+/XZYwNkFGY9ThnOx686pQOQSilRq/I+0VRJT2NWWS6+org/9/PTEkltDTuffM SHCHBWU2iUiSBrgOIE6Aqgitw1uUS77FNtLmI= Received: by 10.224.181.80 with SMTP id bx16mr2962411qab.11.1343743841184; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:10:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.186.193 with SMTP id ct1ls400053qab.9.gmail; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.177.12 with SMTP id bg12mr10163885qab.0.1343743839983; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.18.72 with SMTP id v8msqaa; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:34:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.66.137 with SMTP id f9mr710700vdt.14.1343583259850; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by n16g2000vbn.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:34:19 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <98910038-bfdf-4f09-939a-cd265ea8d6e6@n16g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Feasability of native speakers From: "la vinsent." To: lojban X-Original-Sender: pva003@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of pva003@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=pva003@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / coi rodo, If, one day, a lojban speaker decides that his child's first language will be lojban, would the child even be able to learn it properly? Adults can learn lojban because they were taught the concepts within it that are not present in natural languages. A child on the other hand learns language in a different way. Based on listening to other speakers, the child can decipher the grammar, vocabulary, phonology, etc of a language. However, this is probably(I'm not sure, though) because human languages all share common traits that are hardwired into our language centers. What these hardwired linguistic features are, if they exist, is unknown. Even though we don't know what these traits are, I reckon that lojban probably breaks a few linguistic mental rules and thus cannot be acquired by individual without having learned a naturalistic language(this can include conlangs such as Esperanto) first. I doubt that it could be the first language of anyone, but I, of course, could be mistaken. These are just my thoughts. co'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.