Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:44422) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SwDIj-0006IS-07; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:20:10 -0700 Received: by yhoo21 with SMTP id o21sf7857336yho.16 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:19:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=kevgue1q9c9GoXSosVEhItOuO95zBpRQD+7/FpIOEvU=; b=if6YvhkXomZH5bQDhf0Cr3b0aAI7LqFfT+8Ir+HyvnnRidxwRKibUIaSPQ3LzeZ+62 54Hj46tAvGHEo5Nu5qsMpsJep2YNCk1a8lJN/91JC1K4/+gK3S6coy/uYyfva95AMQRF jk2FLEataPHapg1w4ga5pyL3pi+SNHrEcDoEs= Received: by 10.52.20.51 with SMTP id k19mr1425989vde.8.1343744390199; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:19:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.157.82 with SMTP id a18ls167942vcx.3.gmail; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.182.35 with SMTP id eb3mr910307vec.36.1343744389641; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.182.35 with SMTP id eb3mr910306vec.36.1343744389627; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f43.google.com (mail-vb0-f43.google.com [209.85.212.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y4si40633vds.2.2012.07.31.07.19.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.43; Received: by mail-vb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id fq11so12271523vbb.16 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.59.0.41 with SMTP id av9mr2641668ved.32.1343744389399; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:19:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.24.193 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:19:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <97bf303e-12c1-45ad-821d-10cbf1113638@googlegroups.com> References: <97bf303e-12c1-45ad-821d-10cbf1113638@googlegroups.com> From: Jacob Errington Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:19:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Parsing lujvo To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdc992cffc49704c620de5c X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7bdc992cffc49704c620de5c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The "fluent" Lojbanists on IRC frequently use ad hoc lujvo very frequently without any problems. Lujvo parsing rules exist for a reason, and deciphering lujvo is relatively simple, if they aren't cimjvo (inherently metaphorical). mu'o mi'e la tsani On 28 July 2012 23:05, la vinsent. wrote: > coi rodo, > > I'm relatively new to lojban and have a question about lujvo. > Since there are so many rafsi, how is it reasonable to assume that others, > even those who are "fluent", would be able to mentally parse the lujvo into > its rafsi parts and understand which brivla the rafsi is short for in > normal conversation? I do not think that the human brain's language > centers are capable of this type of language processing, at least not at a > reasonable speed. Sure, you can figure out lujvo, but not quickly enough > to have a conversation using lujvo made up on the spot, only lujvo that are > commonly used. > > co'o rodo > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/3CmtyoFD6roJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --047d7bdc992cffc49704c620de5c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The "fluent" Lojbanists on IRC frequently use ad hoc lujvo very f= requently without any problems.
Lujvo parsing rules exist for a reason,= and deciphering lujvo is relatively simple, if they aren't cimjvo (inh= erently metaphorical).

mu'o mi'e la tsani

On 28 July 2012 23:05, la vinsent. <pva003@gmail.com> w= rote:
coi rodo,

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I&= #39;m relatively new to lojban and have a question about lujvo.=A0 Since th= ere are so many rafsi, how is it reasonable to assume that others, even tho= se who are "fluent", would be able to mentally parse the lujvo in= to its rafsi parts and understand which brivla the rafsi is short for in no= rmal conversation?=A0 I do not think that the human brain's language ce= nters are capable of this type of language processing, at least not at a re= asonable speed.=A0 Sure, you can figure out lujvo, but not quickly enough t= o have a conversation using lujvo made up on the spot, only lujvo that are = commonly used.

co'o rodo

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