On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Ian Johns= on <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

This is basically not fixable without moving= the problem somewhere else. It's messy because there are so many disti= nct collision rules, but try going through and computing how many gismu can= technically exist at the same time. It's not as big a number as you= 9;d think. Without getting into the various rules introduced later in the C= LL (which were meant to reduce problems like these), the number is still on= ly around 22,000. Here's a way to get started:
5 vowels
17 consonants
48 initial clusters
{11 unvoiced consonants= , 10 voiced consonants, (m, l, n, and r get double counted) 9 "special= exceptions": cs sc jz zj cx kx xc xk mz are all forbidden, and no dou= ble consonants}->191 internal clusters
gives exactly 20315 gimtai. This avoids only collisions of final vowels, an= d permits every other apparent "collision", including all those l= isted in the = CLL. These restrictions, to within a very crude approximation, probably= divide the number given above by something between 2 and 3, giving a numbe= r between 6700 and 10000, probably closer to the former given that most of = the collisions involve two letters. This is honestly pretty tight, to fit i= n ~1300 words.

I agree with you, though, that some fiddling with the gimste, doing thi= ngs like changing final vowels to move further away from the source languag= es to avoid some collisions would probably have been for the best. T= oo late now, of course.

An interesting computation: assuming every combination of 2 vowe= ls and 3 consonants can serve as exactly one gismu (which lets words differ= only in their final vowel; not doing so makes the current number of gismu = just barely fit), you get 6800 possible words. Almost all such combi= nations work, too: ignoring the 9 special exceptions, any 2 vowels obviousl= y work, and any group of 3 consonants will have at least 2 with have the sa= me voicing. It might be interesting to make up a hypothetical gimste subjec= t to this restriction and none of the restrictions I linked (but still the = voicing rules and the special exceptions).

mu'o mi'e la latro'a no'u la latros

On Fri, Jul 27, = 2012 at 9:56 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
I do not like these two words. They are both= two (defined) place gismu, they have very different meanings, and they dif= fer ONLY in the order of c and l, which is problematic for people with dysl= exia. I feel they should at least end with a different vowel. I would be ve= ry annoyed if I was to accidentally say for example that because glass brea= ks when hit with a hammer, it is mentally sound.

Just felt like sharing.
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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Lu= ke, I am your father. :D )

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