stevo

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 10:11 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com= > wrote:

hile the morphology is set in stone, LoCCan3 (which, ad= mittedly, does meditate on fiddling with the morphology, too) considered re= doing the vocabulary, which is largely happenstantial, though with some tho= ught given to various sorts of easy confusions.=A0 Someone worked once -- I= have no idea who or when, now, or where it might be stored -- the number o= f=A0 CCV/CVCCV forms with all the Lojban constraints which would avoid all = the obvious problems (though what is obvious varies from person to person, = culture to culture,etc.) and came up with a number rather lower than the nu= mber of gismu now in use.=A0 I remember that care was taken about voiced/vo= iceless, about simple order shifts in clusters, about /r/ vs both /l/ and /= x/, but I think there were other factors.=A0 Anyone remember -- or can sugg= est -- others?=A0=A0 Maybe CC/C exchanges?=A0 And something about vowels, too, bu= t I don't remember what.

From: Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012= 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [l= ojban] Re: racli/ralci

No one raised fetsi/festi ? Or/tsani stani ? Or tinsa/tisna ?=A0
I= f we're going to play with voiced/unvoiced, why not gugde/kukte ? Or he= y stani/zdani ?

Lojban is full of this and anyone with any kind of s= peech disorder/impediment/whatever-it's-called will probably have a bit= more trouble than in a natural language, but of course Lojban has other be= nefits or advantages versus other languages, so it's all a matter of pe= rspective, not to mention that it's hardly likely that this will ever b= e mixed. (The morphology seems rather set in stone.)

mu'o mi'e la stani

On 27 July 2012 = 23:01, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> w= rote:

On Friday 27 July 2012 22:19:42 la .lindar. wrote:
> kalci - kelci
> ractu - ratcu
> cirla - cilre
> simsa - simlu

garna - grana
junla - julne
simlu - simxu
cmaci - jmaji

The ones that keep confusing me are "ratcu/ractu" (both mammals, = and
lagomorphs were classified within the rodents) and "grana/garna" = (significant
overlap of extension). The others don't bother me as much. If someone s= aid "I
put my goat on because it's gold", you can figure out what he mean= t.

Pierre

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