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xorxes' note shows that the old LoCCan3 calculations are mistaken for the b=
asic info and so probably for all the info.=A0 But the errors are always of=
 being too low, so the general point about every gismu having a unique form=
 hedged in various ways remains, more strongly, perhaps.



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Subject: Re: [lojban] racli/ralci
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On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:50 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 5 vowels
> 17 consonants
> 48 initial clusters
> {11 unvoiced consonants, 10 voiced consonants, (m, l, n, and r get double
> counted) 9 "special exceptions": cs sc jz zj cx kx xc xk mz are all
> forbidden, and no double consonants}->191 internal clusters
> gives exactly 20315 gimtai.

I get 179 for the number of internal clusters, so the total number of
non-conflicting forms comes out as 19295.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>xorxes' no=
te shows that the old LoCCan3 calculations are mistaken for the basic info =
and so probably for all the info.&nbsp; But the errors are always of being =
too low, so the general point about every gismu having a unique form hedged=
 in various ways remains, more strongly, perhaps.<br></span></div><div><br>=
</div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif;=
 font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, t=
imes, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=
=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span><=
/b> Jorge Llamb=EDas &lt;jjllambias@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"fon=
t-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegroups.com <br> <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, August 2, 2012 6:52 PM<b=
r> <b><span
 style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [lojban] racli/ralci<=
br> </font> </div> <br>
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:50 PM, Ian Johnson &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:blindb=
ravado@gmail.com" href=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com">blindbravado@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; 5 vowels<br>&gt; 17 consonants<br>&gt; =
48 initial clusters<br>&gt; {11 unvoiced consonants, 10 voiced consonants, =
(m, l, n, and r get double<br>&gt; counted) 9 "special exceptions": cs sc j=
z zj cx kx xc xk mz are all<br>&gt; forbidden, and no double consonants}-&g=
t;191 internal clusters<br>&gt; gives exactly 20315 gimtai.<br><br>I get 17=
9 for the number of internal clusters, so the total number of<br>non-confli=
cting forms comes out as 19295.<br><br>mu'o mi'e xorxes<br><br>-- <br>You r=
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