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On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 2:17 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

>  Am 03.08.2012 18:13, schrieb Michael Turniansky:
>
> " ni'o la snime blabi cu ze'u ze'u cpana lo nenri be lo mrovau gi'e fusra
> na gi'e ja'a simlu lo ka sipna"
>
>    1)  "ze'u ze'u" is not recognized by genrei or jobski.  If it is in
> fact not permissible, might I suggest "ba'e ze'u"?
>
>
> Any combination of TAGs is fine. Anything else would be madness. Still, I
> changed it to "ze'u sai".
>

   If you want to use it as a tag, then instead of "....cu ze'u ze'u
 cpana..." use "....ze'u cu ze'u cpana"  or "ze'u ku ze'u cpana..." The
problem you are encountering is that within the selbri (to the right of the
cu) it's NOT a tag, but a subsidiary tense.


>
>    2)  You got tripped up here due to the default grouping of multiple
> logical connectives.  This says that she was "not (both lying a long time
> in the coffin and decaying) but seemed to be sleeping"  In other words, she
> either was not lying a long time in the coffin, or not decaying, or perhaps
> both.  Not what you wanted. Stick a "bo" after the second gi'e to solve
> that.
>
>
> That's one way. I just moved the na in front of fusra instead.
>
>
  That works, too.  (No comments on my other emails?)

      --gejyspa

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at =
2:17 PM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de=
" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex">

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   =20
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  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    <div><tt>Am 03.08.2012 18:13, schrieb
        Michael Turniansky:<br>
      </tt></div><div class=3D"im">
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div dir=3D"ltr"><tt>&quot;
          <span style=3D"line-height:18px;text-align:left;font-size:12px;fo=
nt-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif">ni&#39;o
            la snime blabi cu ze&#39;u ze&#39;u cpana lo nenri be lo mrovau=
 gi&#39;e
            fusra na gi&#39;e ja&#39;a simlu lo ka sipna&quot;</span></tt>
        <div>
          <tt><span style=3D"line-height:18px;text-align:left;font-size:12p=
x;font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif"><br>
            </span></tt></div>
        <div><tt><span style=3D"line-height:18px;text-align:left;font-size:=
12px;font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif">=A0
              1) =A0&quot;ze&#39;u ze&#39;u&quot; is not recognized by genr=
ei or jobski. =A0If
              it is in fact not permissible, might I suggest &quot;ba&#39;e
              ze&#39;u&quot;?</span></tt></div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    </div><tt><br>
      Any combination of TAGs is fine. Anything else would be madness.
      Still, I changed it to &quot;ze&#39;u sai&quot;.<br></tt></div></bloc=
kquote><div><br></div><div>=A0 =A0If you want to use it as a tag, then inst=
ead of &quot;....cu ze&#39;u ze&#39;u =A0cpana...&quot; use &quot;....ze&#3=
9;u cu ze&#39;u cpana&quot; =A0or &quot;ze&#39;u ku ze&#39;u cpana...&quot;=
 The problem you are encountering is that within the selbri (to the right o=
f the cu) it&#39;s NOT a tag, but a subsidiary tense.</div>
<div>=A0=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" te=
xt=3D"#000000"><div class=3D"im"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div><tt><span style=3D"line-height:18px;text-align:left;font-size:12px;fo=
nt-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif"><br>

            </span></tt></div>
        <div><tt><span style=3D"line-height:18px;text-align:left;font-size:=
12px;font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif">=A0
              2) =A0You got tripped up here due to the default grouping of
              multiple logical connectives. =A0This says that she was &quot=
;not
              (both lying a long time in the coffin and decaying) but
              seemed to be sleeping&quot; =A0In other words, she either was=
 not
              lying a long time in the coffin, or not decaying, or
              perhaps both. =A0Not what you wanted. Stick a &quot;bo&quot; =
after the
              second gi&#39;e to solve that.</span></tt></div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    </div><tt><br>
      That&#39;s one way. I just moved the na in front of fusra instead.<di=
v class=3D"im"><br></div></tt></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=A0 Th=
at works, too. =A0(No comments on my other emails?)</div><div><br></div><di=
v>
=A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa =A0</div></div></div>

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