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Am 03.08.2012 20:36, schrieb Michael Turniansky:
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 2:17 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de 
> <mailto:seladwa@gmx.de>> wrote:
>
>     Am 03.08.2012 18:13, schrieb Michael Turniansky:
>>     " ni'o la snime blabi cu ze'u ze'u cpana lo nenri be lo mrovau
>>     gi'e fusra na gi'e ja'a simlu lo ka sipna"
>>
>>     1)  "ze'u ze'u" is not recognized by genrei or jobski.  If it is
>>     in fact not permissible, might I suggest "ba'e ze'u"?
>
>     Any combination of TAGs is fine. Anything else would be madness.
>     Still, I changed it to "ze'u sai".
>
>
>    If you want to use it as a tag, then instead of "....cu ze'u ze'u 
>  cpana..." use "....ze'u cu ze'u cpana"  or "ze'u ku ze'u cpana..." 
> The problem you are encountering is that within the selbri (to the 
> right of the cu) it's NOT a tag, but a subsidiary tense.

In my opinion, there is no (semantical) difference between sumtcita and 
selbri tcita.
TAG broda = TAG zo'e broda = TAG ku broda.
The placement of cu is purely a grammatical thing, it has no bearing on 
meaning. It just so happens that non-filled TAGs right before the selbri 
get merged with them to allow things like lo TAG broda etc.

>>
>>     2)  You got tripped up here due to the default grouping of
>>     multiple logical connectives.  This says that she was "not (both
>>     lying a long time in the coffin and decaying) but seemed to be
>>     sleeping"  In other words, she either was not lying a long time
>>     in the coffin, or not decaying, or perhaps both.  Not what you
>>     wanted. Stick a "bo" after the second gi'e to solve that.
>
>     That's one way. I just moved the na in front of fusra instead.
>
>
>   That works, too.  (No comments on my other emails?)

I don't want to comment on every single one with the same single line 
every time: "Thanks, I corrected it" :) I do read all of them. When I 
don't agree with something, I comment on it.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><tt>Am 03.08.2012 20:36, schrieb
        Michael Turniansky:<br>
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    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAKOEKkR7+vtsZQEFZOVOZoi0-iZyx2zmV_Qx889WPPbcYpsZog@mail.gmail.com"
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          <br>
        </tt>
        <div class="gmail_quote"><tt>On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 2:17 PM,
            selpa'i <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target="_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span>
            wrote:<br>
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              <div><tt>Am 03.08.2012 18:13, schrieb Michael Turniansky:<br>
                </tt></div>
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                  <div dir="ltr"><tt>" <span
style="line-height:18px;text-align:left;font-size:12px;font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif">ni'o

                        la snime blabi cu ze'u ze'u cpana lo nenri be lo
                        mrovau gi'e fusra na gi'e ja'a simlu lo ka
                        sipna"</span></tt>
                    <div> <tt><span
style="line-height:18px;text-align:left;font-size:12px;font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif"><br>
                        </span></tt></div>
                    <div><tt><span
style="line-height:18px;text-align:left;font-size:12px;font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif">&nbsp;
                          1) &nbsp;"ze'u ze'u" is not recognized by genrei or
                          jobski. &nbsp;If it is in fact not permissible,
                          might I suggest "ba'e ze'u"?</span></tt></div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
              </div>
              <tt><br>
                Any combination of TAGs is fine. Anything else would be
                madness. Still, I changed it to "ze'u sai".<br>
              </tt></div>
          </blockquote>
          <div><tt><br>
            </tt></div>
          <div><tt>&nbsp; &nbsp;If you want to use it as a tag, then instead of
              "....cu ze'u ze'u &nbsp;cpana..." use "....ze'u cu ze'u cpana"
              &nbsp;or "ze'u ku ze'u cpana..." The problem you are
              encountering is that within the selbri (to the right of
              the cu) it's NOT a tag, but a subsidiary tense.</tt></div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <tt><br>
      In my opinion, there is no (semantical) difference between
      sumtcita and selbri tcita. <br>
      TAG broda = TAG zo'e broda = TAG ku broda. <br>
      The placement of cu is purely a grammatical thing, it has no
      bearing on meaning. It just so happens that non-filled TAGs right
      before the selbri get merged with them to allow things like lo TAG
      broda etc. <br>
      <br>
    </tt>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAKOEKkR7+vtsZQEFZOVOZoi0-iZyx2zmV_Qx889WPPbcYpsZog@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div class="gmail_quote">
          <div><tt>&nbsp;&nbsp;</tt></div>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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style="line-height:18px;text-align:left;font-size:12px;font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif"><br>
                        </span></tt></div>
                    <div><tt><span
style="line-height:18px;text-align:left;font-size:12px;font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif">&nbsp;
                          2) &nbsp;You got tripped up here due to the default
                          grouping of multiple logical connectives.
                          &nbsp;This says that she was "not (both lying a
                          long time in the coffin and decaying) but
                          seemed to be sleeping" &nbsp;In other words, she
                          either was not lying a long time in the
                          coffin, or not decaying, or perhaps both. &nbsp;Not
                          what you wanted. Stick a "bo" after the second
                          gi'e to solve that.</span></tt></div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
              </div>
              <tt><br>
                That's one way. I just moved the na in front of fusra
                instead.
                <div class="im"><br>
                </div>
              </tt></div>
          </blockquote>
          <div><tt><br>
            </tt></div>
          <div><tt>&nbsp; That works, too. &nbsp;(No comments on my other emails?)</tt></div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <tt><br>
      I don't want to comment on every single one with the same single
      line every time: "Thanks, I corrected it" :) I do read all of
      them. When I don't agree with something, I comment on it.<br>
      <br>
      mu'o mi'e la selpa'i<br>
    </tt>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72"><tt>-- 
pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo</tt></pre>
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