Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:48568) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SxYQg-0006dB-KQ; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:05:51 -0700 Received: by yenl13 with SMTP id l13sf1684389yen.16 for ; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:05:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=ELEGjs7MSaB7FJ0QdD9MfnCWYJtBb8rrVelo4B0K0f8=; b=xMobQAo0I1rn2IWJPLlux6jQl66nJhVeGhw6FxdGl/IN3TAFaL9wa1YC5l6i2tyuTo T11duez+NLOflT5HLAlVIYp+v7QOZmfEqYcidIImpeOZGu59AMX6MV9Mk8enrPLkVPdQ X3pBSd5X408ouOHCfmL/rn0E42PVVJE25Sn8U= Received: by 10.52.34.8 with SMTP id v8mr566802vdi.5.1344063935755; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:05:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.239.208 with SMTP id kx16ls3787719vcb.8.gmail; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.20.196 with SMTP id p4mr553847vde.13.1344063935007; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 00:05:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: Subject: [lojban] Ancient Greek, free word order and the same FA two times in a bridi MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1157_14436389.1344063934135" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_1157_14436389.1344063934135 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ancient Greek and Russian have free word order. It means that instead of "Yesterday I saw a big dog" you can literally say "Big yesterday saw dog I" due to case markers. Lojban currently can't split sumti apart. {mi viska lo barda gerku} = {fe lo barda ku viska fe lo gerku fa mi}? This issue remains unsettled. ju'i jbobadna how are we going to translate Homer's magnificent style? Again distorting his work of art like it is being done when translating it to English? (Russian has other drawbacks in grammar). *Therefore I suggest that if we have the same FA more than once in a bridi it means that we can join them back with {je}. So* *{fe lo barda viska fe lo gerku fa mi} = {mi viska lo barda je gerku}.* *If you need to use joi, fa'u, jo'u or other connectives such partitioning is not possible.* pei? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/8GNSXALMX2gJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_1157_14436389.1344063934135 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ancient Greek and Russian have free word order. It means that instead of "Y= esterday I saw a big dog" you can literally say "Big yesterday saw dog I" d= ue to case markers.

Lojban currently can't split sumti a= part.

{mi viska lo barda gerku} =3D {fe lo barda k= u viska fe lo gerku fa mi}?
This issue remains unsettled.
ju'i jbobadna how are we going to translate Homer's magnificent style? A= gain distorting his work of art like it is being done when translating it t= o English? (Russian has other drawbacks in grammar).

Therefore I suggest that if we have the same FA more than once in a bridi = it means that we can join them back with {je}. So
{fe lo b= arda viska fe lo gerku fa mi} =3D {mi viska lo barda je gerku}.
If you need to use joi, fa'u, jo'u or other connectives suc= h partitioning is not possible.

p= ei?

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