Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:41498) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SxYgL-0006l2-J8; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:22:00 -0700 Received: by yenl13 with SMTP id l13sf1720971yen.16 for ; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:21:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=KgiMhIYMApEGBsVOWrX41mv1dF83IOhxQXCGMrBp8No=; b=wSx14oFM+lu67+fQ4DLtHigA/qAjbHGdQ/Gb3min0FWmHRPdPzAcJpruYMVpHzdcNv HAobTc1iURgUkr3N3AChmliW1fArsL0/EjjAChLV7sEqld5mM7/FAqpEvp9LGoijIla8 L4JU2cuR31YEimo6EHlu7Kcq89JQRY1WE2oGw= Received: by 10.236.186.34 with SMTP id v22mr1086769yhm.9.1344064907082; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:21:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.78.164 with SMTP id g24ls9781749yhe.6.gmail; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.191.33 with SMTP id f21mr2157980yhn.36.1344064906373; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.191.33 with SMTP id f21mr2157979yhn.36.1344064906365; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com (mail-yx0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q2si2799798yhi.5.2012.08.04.00.21.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of celestialcognition@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.172; Received: by yenm6 with SMTP id m6so1233422yen.31 for ; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.23.207 with SMTP id t15mr5176728icb.3.1344064906075; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.103] (76-76-236-67.lisco.net. [76.76.236.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hx4sm832921igc.8.2012.08.04.00.21.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <501CCD85.9090902@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 02:21:41 -0500 From: vitci'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Ancient Greek, free word order and the same FA two times in a bridi References: In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: celestialcognition@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of celestialcognition@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=celestialcognition@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On 08/04/2012 02:05 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > Ancient Greek and Russian have free word order. It means that instead of > "Yesterday I saw a big dog" you can literally say "Big yesterday saw dog I" > due to case markers. > > Lojban currently can't split sumti apart. > > {mi viska lo barda gerku} = {fe lo barda ku viska fe lo gerku fa mi}? > This issue remains unsettled. > ju'i jbobadna how are we going to translate Homer's magnificent style? > Again distorting his work of art like it is being done when translating it > to English? (Russian has other drawbacks in grammar). > > *Therefore I suggest that if we have the same FA more than once in a bridi > it means that we can join them back with {je}. So* > *{fe lo barda viska fe lo gerku fa mi} = {mi viska lo barda je gerku}.* > *If you need to use joi, fa'u, jo'u or other connectives such partitioning > is not possible.* > > > pei? No language should strive to have every feature of every other language. It's okay for lojban to be its own thing. If a majority of the source languages have a feature that lojban lacks, then that may indicate a problem, especially if English is in the minority that lojban resembles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.