Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:45994) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sxcd6-0008Da-Ga; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 04:34:56 -0700 Received: by yhoo21 with SMTP id o21sf1927181yho.16 for ; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 04:34:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=NAfdaZzCVaqXGMNL02OeH1ulOGo1tsfd+rj9VRUtTc4=; b=sImeRMArninXEohz+lzTDoRVZGkB5IfjTW8tFC+498x6zzwuOFMtmL8+QoTVmeXPiM skwsXvEOjzTzYilAXqDcy4bvvTT/V39VuKqFpqNXSUccgpI5C1cjfQuBVa9jb/lJfLvf Ut+FVze8+0tSewaPk4kVlubZUtMlzrWISLJrY= Received: by 10.52.21.235 with SMTP id y11mr582540vde.4.1344080081813; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 04:34:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.119.137 with SMTP id z9ls3832204vcq.2.gmail; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 04:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.95.238 with SMTP id dn14mr592457vdb.1.1344080081105; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 04:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 04:34:40 -0700 (PDT) From: iesk To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <58935d67-62c7-4949-b2ac-5c20da578d4e@googlegroups.com> <7b5f831b-fd0b-499e-899d-80cd1b12dd44@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Suggestion for a new animacy marker in Lojban. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: pa.fae@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of pa.fae@gmx.de designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=pa.fae@gmx.de; dkim=pass header.i=@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1102_9282496.1344080080419" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_1102_9282496.1344080080419 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le samedi 4 ao=FBt 2012 10:01:16 UTC+2, aionys a =E9crit : The less arbitrary distinctions there are, the better. And merely by the=20 simple fact that every language splits things differently, (although I'll= =20 grant that language families tend to be tcesimsa if not mintu,) is enough= =20 evidence for me at least that it is arbitrary. I know that is human nature to classify things. We do it all the time. But= =20 not all classifications are useful or necessary. ni'o ti'e lo pe'a catni trusi'o befi la lobgu'e ku lei clira kakpa zo'u bau= =20 la lojban. cusku be ji'i ro da zifre gi'e cusku be ji'i no da bilga .i=20 sidbo lo du'u ta'u nai kulnu nutli=B9 .i go'i lo du'u ta'u nai terzasti=20 naldukse=B2 ni'o ja'o ru'e bilga lo du'u tu'a lo si'o zo'e zukte ja nalzukte kei ka'e= =20 frili se cusku bau ly. kei le bi'u nai trusi'o pe'a (to .i zu'u nai na'e=20 mukti lonu ba'e mi cusku toi) __ =B9 cultural neutrality? =B2 metaphysical parsimony? What I am trying to say is that I think that, according to what I perceive= =20 to be Lojban's ideology, there should be a relatively easy way to make the= =20 animacy/inanimacy distinction (which I, by the way, feel no inclination of= =20 making). mu'o mi'e .iesk. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo= jban/-/eQtxy3XSxxIJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. ------=_Part_1102_9282496.1344080080419 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le samedi 4 ao=FBt 2012 10:01:16 UTC+2, aionys a =E9crit :
The less arbi= trary distinctions there are, the better. And merely by the simple fact tha= t every language splits things differently, (although I'll grant that langu= age families tend to be tcesimsa if not mintu,) is enough evidence for me a= t least that it is arbitrary.

I know that is human nature to classi= fy things. We do it all the time. But not all classifications are useful or= necessary.


ni'o ti'e lo pe'a catni trusi'o befi la lobgu'e ku l= ei clira kakpa zo'u bau la lojban. cusku be ji'i ro da zifre gi'e cusku be = ji'i no da bilga .i sidbo lo du'u ta'u nai kulnu nutli=B9 .i go'i lo du'u t= a'u nai terzasti naldukse=B2

ni'o ja'o ru'e bilga lo du'u tu'a lo si= 'o zo'e zukte ja nalzukte kei ka'e frili se cusku bau ly. kei le bi'u nai t= rusi'o pe'a (to .i zu'u nai na'e mukti lonu ba'e mi cusku toi)

__=B9 cultural neutrality?
=B2 metaphysical parsimony?

What I am t= rying to say is that I think that, according to what I perceive to be Lojba= n's ideology, there should be a relatively easy way to make the animacy/ina= nimacy distinction (which I, by the way, feel no inclination of making).
mu'o mi'e .iesk.

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