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This has come up a couple times before.

I don't think it's a matter of "we need to figure out how to do this
because other languages do it".  I think it's more so a matter of "the
grammar allows this form (fe lo barda cu broda fe lo gerku), we should
probably decide just what it means".

I like what you're suggesting Gleki, but I disagree about the connector.
 In cases where a word is kind of being magicked in, I would almost always
prefer that that word be as vague as possible so as to include as broad of
a scope of meaning as is possible.

So I'd rather it be {ju'e}.

On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 3:21 AM, vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com>wrote:

> On 08/04/2012 02:05 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> > Ancient Greek and Russian have free word order. It means that instead of
> > "Yesterday I saw a big dog" you can literally say "Big yesterday saw dog
> I"
> > due to case markers.
> >
> > Lojban currently can't split sumti apart.
> >
> > {mi viska lo barda gerku} = {fe lo barda ku viska fe lo gerku fa mi}?
> > This issue remains unsettled.
> > ju'i jbobadna how are we going to translate Homer's magnificent style?
> > Again distorting his work of art like it is being done when translating
> it
> > to English? (Russian has other drawbacks in grammar).
> >
> > *Therefore I suggest that if we have the same FA more than once in a
> bridi
> > it means that we can join them back with {je}. So*
> > *{fe lo barda viska fe lo gerku fa mi} = {mi viska lo barda je gerku}.*
> > *If you need to use joi, fa'u, jo'u or other connectives such
> partitioning
> > is not possible.*
> >
> >
> > pei?
>
> No language should strive to have every feature of every other language.
> It's okay for lojban to be its own thing.
>
> If a majority of the source languages have a feature that lojban lacks,
> then that may indicate a problem, especially if English is in the
> minority that lojban resembles.
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This has come up a couple times before.<div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t thin=
k it&#39;s a matter of &quot;we need to figure out how to do this because o=
ther languages do it&quot;. =A0I think it&#39;s more so a matter of &quot;t=
he grammar allows this form (fe lo barda cu broda fe lo gerku), we should p=
robably decide just what it means&quot;.</div>

<div><br></div><div>I like what you&#39;re suggesting Gleki, but I disagree=
 about the connector. =A0In cases where a word is kind of being magicked in=
, I would almost always prefer that that word be as vague as possible so as=
 to include as broad of a scope of meaning as is possible. =A0</div>

<div><br></div><div>So I&#39;d rather it be {ju&#39;e}.<br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 3:21 AM, vitci&#39;i <span dir=3D"l=
tr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:celestialcognition@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">c=
elestialcognition@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On 08/04/2012 02:05 AM, Gl=
eki Arxokuna wrote:<br>
&gt; Ancient Greek and Russian have free word order. It means that instead =
of<br>
&gt; &quot;Yesterday I saw a big dog&quot; you can literally say &quot;Big =
yesterday saw dog I&quot;<br>
&gt; due to case markers.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Lojban currently can&#39;t split sumti apart.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; {mi viska lo barda gerku} =3D {fe lo barda ku viska fe lo gerku fa mi}=
?<br>
&gt; This issue remains unsettled.<br>
&gt; ju&#39;i jbobadna how are we going to translate Homer&#39;s magnificen=
t style?<br>
&gt; Again distorting his work of art like it is being done when translatin=
g it<br>
&gt; to English? (Russian has other drawbacks in grammar).<br>
&gt;<br>
</div>&gt; *Therefore I suggest that if we have the same FA more than once =
in a bridi<br>
&gt; it means that we can join them back with {je}. So*<br>
&gt; *{fe lo barda viska fe lo gerku fa mi} =3D {mi viska lo barda je gerku=
}.*<br>
&gt; *If you need to use joi, fa&#39;u, jo&#39;u or other connectives such =
partitioning<br>
&gt; is not possible.*<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; pei?<br>
<br>
No language should strive to have every feature of every other language.<br=
>
It&#39;s okay for lojban to be its own thing.<br>
<br>
If a majority of the source languages have a feature that lojban lacks,<br>
then that may indicate a problem, especially if English is in the<br>
minority that lojban resembles.<br>
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