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Am 04.08.2012 09:05, schrieb Gleki Arxokuna:
> Ancient Greek and Russian have free word order. It means that instead 
> of "Yesterday I saw a big dog" you can literally say "Big yesterday 
> saw dog I" due to case markers.
>
> Lojban currently can't split sumti apart.
>
> {mi viska lo barda gerku} = {fe lo barda ku viska fe lo gerku fa mi}?
>
>     *Therefore I suggest that if we have the same FA more than once in
>     a bridi it means that we can join them back with {je}. So*
>     *{fe lo barda viska fe lo gerku fa mi} = {mi viska lo barda je
>     gerku}.*
>     *If you need to use joi, fa'u, jo'u or other connectives such
>     partitioning is not possible.*
>
>
> pei?

I don't like using logical connectives for this. How about no'u?

fe lo barda fa mi viska fe lo gerku
=
mi viska lo barda no'u lo gerku
"I saw something big, which is a dog."

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><tt>Am 04.08.2012 09:05, schrieb Gleki
        Arxokuna:<br>
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    <blockquote
      cite="mid:d31f9fdd-bfa0-4f98-ba41-77ed87af37a6@googlegroups.com"
      type="cite"><tt>Ancient Greek and Russian have free word order. It
        means that instead of "Yesterday I saw a big dog" you can
        literally say "Big yesterday saw dog I" due to case markers.</tt>
      <div><tt><br>
        </tt></div>
      <div><tt>Lojban currently can't split sumti apart.</tt></div>
      <div><tt><br>
        </tt></div>
      <div><tt>{mi viska lo barda gerku} = {fe lo barda ku viska fe lo
          gerku fa mi}?</tt></div>
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        </tt></div>
      <blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding:
        0px;">
        <div><tt><b>Therefore I suggest that if we have the same FA more
              than once in a bridi it means that we can join them back
              with {je}. So</b></tt></div>
        <div><tt><b>{fe lo barda viska fe lo gerku fa mi}&nbsp;=&nbsp;{mi viska lo
              barda je gerku}.</b></tt></div>
        <div><tt><b>If you need to use joi, fa'u, jo'u or other
              connectives such partitioning is not possible.</b></tt></div>
      </blockquote>
      <div><tt><br>
        </tt></div>
      <div><tt>pei?</tt></div>
    </blockquote>
    <tt><br>
      I don't like using logical connectives for this. How about no'u?<br>
      <br>
      fe lo barda fa mi viska fe lo gerku<br>
      =<br>
      mi viska lo barda no'u lo gerku<br>
      "I saw something big, which is a dog."<br>
      <br>
      mu'o mi'e la selpa'i<br>
      <br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72"><tt>-- 
pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo</tt></pre>
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