This quest= seems based on the idea that Lojban achieves cultural neutrality by permit= ting a speaker of any language to speak Lojban in the style of his native l= anguage, putting in what he normally would and leaving out what he normally= would not (or could not) use. This goal has been partially realized = in a number of areas, like tense/aspect, for example, but surely not in all= . I suppose it is possible in Lojban to reproduce the effect of Swahi= li word classes by frequent tanru all over the place, but it doesn't seem t= o be of much point, since the classes are semantically insignificant (Kilim= anjaro is not a little hill, for example, despite the 'ki' prefix). T= he same applies in other cases, mostly relevant to the parallel thread abou= t animateness. For free word order the case is more complex, since that affects parsing. Lojban is said to be uniquely parsed (in= a non-trivial way) and this relies ultimately on the the uniqueness of the= parsing of FOL, which involves positive RHE markers (or counters). L= ojban has always had some RHE problems, most getting solved some after they= appear, but new ones still turning up from time to time (and guarantee tha= t more will not). To split a construction whose RHE is a possible iss= ue (a complex sumti, say) is to open a mare's nest of new problems. W= e can easily reorder sumti any which way and the order of modifiers and mod= ified within a sumti. To go beyond that seems a needless bowing to an= uncommon style at the cost of a major characteristic of the language.
<= /span>

From: selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
= Sent: Saturday, August 4, 201= 2 9:27 AM
Subject: Re:= [lojban] Ancient Greek, free word order and the same FA two times in a bri= di

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Am 04.08.2012 09:05, sc= hrieb Gleki Arxokuna:

Ancient Greek and Russian have free word = order. It means that instead of "Yesterday I saw a big dog" you can literally say "Big yesterday saw dog I" due to case markers.

Lojban currently can't split sumti apart.

{mi viska lo barda gerku} =3D {fe lo barda ku viska fe lo gerku fa mi}?

Therefore I suggest that if we have the same FA more than once in a bridi it means that we can join them back with {je}. So

{fe lo barda viska fe lo gerku fa mi} =3D {mi= viska lo barda je gerku}.

If you need to use joi, fa'u, jo'u or other connectives such partitioning is not possible.

pei?

I don't like using logical connectives for this. How about no'u? fe lo barda fa mi viska fe lo gerku =3D mi viska lo barda no'u lo gerku "I saw something big, which is a dog." mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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