Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:59844)
	by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128)
	(Exim 4.76)
	(envelope-from <lojban+bncCKvA2oWYARDOpPWABRoExUdQqg@googlegroups.com>)
	id 1SxhWW-0002bs-FP; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 09:48:43 -0700
Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3sf2180643obb.16
        for <multiple recipients>; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 09:48:14 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
        d=googlegroups.com; s=beta;
        h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from
         :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender
         :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list
         :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender
         :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type;
        bh=ceUxbwqV1vkSctIG52OUqsizjdKejI4nbxVFHDyoQms=;
        b=lbTQKOE6rWY5P2qDUC8RbIUt41v+lbwPZD+XK4WICSPjgxYAzpyoEEV90w9Wgd+Eq8
         ZdiEdZf4gxjLGnl2Md2V2QFoctCPzp1Iv9KyWrOsdciET8kcbRSng7qdomZQh1Bbv7Pa
         tE0+TBDXV51lbrj9t2BlrXr44aw808ddiNCkE=
Received: by 10.52.21.235 with SMTP id y11mr616959vde.4.1344098894148;
        Sat, 04 Aug 2012 09:48:14 -0700 (PDT)
X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com
Received: by 10.52.69.174 with SMTP id f14ls3913067vdu.2.gmail; Sat, 04 Aug
 2012 09:48:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.58.254.39 with SMTP id af7mr1641364ved.41.1344098893491;
        Sat, 04 Aug 2012 09:48:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.58.254.39 with SMTP id af7mr1641363ved.41.1344098893475;
        Sat, 04 Aug 2012 09:48:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169])
        by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c10si1006480vdu.1.2012.08.04.09.48.13
        (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER);
        Sat, 04 Aug 2012 09:48:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.169;
Received: by vcbfl10 with SMTP id fl10so1827292vcb.0
        for <lojban@googlegroups.com>; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 09:48:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.52.71.137 with SMTP id v9mr3712387vdu.63.1344098893351; Sat,
 04 Aug 2012 09:48:13 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.52.24.193 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 09:47:53 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <e60a84d5-1633-4144-885d-57e0f121ac8a@googlegroups.com>
References: <e60a84d5-1633-4144-885d-57e0f121ac8a@googlegroups.com>
From: Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:47:53 -0400
Message-ID: <CAOQ8VDX8GYO8PpOFtvYiTohySLJb7HuK=Fz7fD0ZSVP+6h+RWg@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [lojban] Computer terminology. uinai no progress yet.
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com
X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com:
 domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.169 as permitted sender)
 smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com
Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com
List-ID: <lojban.googlegroups.com>
X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417
List-Post: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/post?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com>
List-Help: <http://groups.google.com/support/?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban+help@googlegroups.com>
List-Archive: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en_US>
Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com
List-Subscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/subscribe?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban+subscribe@googlegroups.com>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/subscribe?hl=en_US>, <mailto:googlegroups-manage+1004133512417+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307d037414cbb704c6736984
X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/)
X-Spam_score: -0.7
X-Spam_score_int: -6
X-Spam_bar: /

--20cf307d037414cbb704c6736984
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On 4 August 2012 03:57, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

> Very strange. Most jbopre are programmers or mathematicians. Still not
> progress in elaborating computer terminology.
> lojban.org wiki seems to be incomplete and there seems to be no unified
> plan.
> I created a spreadsheet.
> Please add more lines for terms, add more columns (two columns for each
> jbopre, one for the translation, one for comments).
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ahngu1CNj7wddFZzanpIcXE5cll0UHNRa3pWaW1mS2c
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "lojban" group.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/ZPeOEsakRpEJ.
> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at
> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.
>

I'm glad for this initiative, gleki, but that problem is that so much
computer terminology in English in metaphorical, and producing anything in
Lojban with lujvo is extremely difficult, naljvajvo, and somtimes cimjvo.
In my honest opinion, the ideal solution for pretty much any computer
terminology would be to create zi'evla, based on a cimjvo. lujvo are
powerful, I don't deny it, but sometimes, the learning curve incurred by a
new zi'evla is justified by virtue of the counterpart lujvo's length and
rule-adhesion, not to mention that there are some very specific places that
would be nice to include in some computer-related terms that we just can't
get out of existing gismu.

mu'o mi'e la tsani

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.


--20cf307d037414cbb704c6736984
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On 4 August 2012 03:57, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex">

Very strange. Most jbopre are programmers or mathematicians. Still not prog=
ress in elaborating computer terminology.<div><a href=3D"http://lojban.org"=
 target=3D"_blank">lojban.org</a> wiki seems to be incomplete and there see=
ms to be no unified plan.</div>

<div>I created a spreadsheet.</div><div>Please add more lines for terms, ad=
d more columns (two columns for each jbopre, one for the translation, one f=
or comments).</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://docs.google.com/s=
preadsheet/ccc?key=3D0Ahngu1CNj7wddFZzanpIcXE5cll0UHNRa3pWaW1mS2c" target=
=3D"_blank">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0Ahngu1CNj7wddFZz=
anpIcXE5cll0UHNRa3pWaW1mS2c</a><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#88888=
8"><br>

</font></span></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">

<p></p>

-- <br>
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &=
quot;lojban&quot; group.<br>
To view this discussion on the web visit <a href=3D"https://groups.google.c=
om/d/msg/lojban/-/ZPeOEsakRpEJ" target=3D"_blank">https://groups.google.com=
/d/msg/lojban/-/ZPeOEsakRpEJ</a>.<br>=20
To post to this group, send email to <a href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.=
com" target=3D"_blank">lojban@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to <a href=3D"mailto:lojban%2Bun=
subscribe@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou=
ps.com</a>.<br>

For more options, visit this group at <a href=3D"http://groups.google.com/g=
roup/lojban?hl=3Den" target=3D"_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/lojba=
n?hl=3Den</a>.<br>


</font></span></blockquote></div><br><div>I&#39;m glad for this initiative,=
 gleki, but that problem is that so much computer terminology in English in=
 metaphorical, and producing anything in Lojban with lujvo is extremely dif=
ficult, naljvajvo, and somtimes cimjvo. In my honest opinion, the ideal sol=
ution for pretty much any computer terminology would be to create zi&#39;ev=
la, based on a cimjvo. lujvo are powerful, I don&#39;t deny it, but sometim=
es, the learning curve incurred by a new zi&#39;evla is justified by virtue=
 of the counterpart lujvo&#39;s length and rule-adhesion, not to mention th=
at there are some very specific places that would be nice to include in som=
e computer-related terms that we just can&#39;t get out of existing gismu.<=
/div>

<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la tsani</div>

<p></p>

-- <br />
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
lojban" group.<br />
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.<br />
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou=
ps.com.<br />

For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban=
?hl=3Den.<br />



--20cf307d037414cbb704c6736984--