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Carter=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 Voice 310 825 2897=A0 =A0 FAX 310 206 6673 UCLA-Mathnet;=A0 6115 MSA; 405 Hilgard Ave.; Los Angeles, CA, USA 90095-155= 5 Email: jimc@math.ucla.edu=A0 http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc (q.v. for PGP k= ey) ________________________________ From: John E Clifford To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" =20 Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] gua\spi =20 No conlang is dead if someone is still reading up on it, though it seems li= ke a couple decades since I last heard of this one.=A0 But Carter was still= on some lists a couple of years ago, so keep looking.=A0 (I confess I neve= r looked at it, since it was politically incorrect when it first started ou= t and I forgot all about it later.) ________________________________ From: selpa'i To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] gua\spi =20 .oi se'i=20 Am 04.08.2012 21:28, schrieb selpa'i: coi ro do=20 >^:i !ji /glu (to mi rinsa toi)=20 > >First of all, sorry if this doesn't belong here, but I'm trying to find more info about gua\spi, and I know for a fact that at least some jbopre had some involvement with it. (And it's a sister language of lojban)=20 >I read the "Introduction to Gua\spi" and the "Gua\spi Reference Manual", but I felt that those texts were not enough to really get to a point where I could even construct a single bridi. In fact, had I not had a lojbanic background, I would probably not have understood any of it.=20 >I read that the inventor James Carter is not working on the language anymore, but maybe he'd be interested in getting back into it, if there was an audience of interested people.=20 >I know that John Cowan came to Lojban *from* Gua\spi, so please, could you share some of your experiences with the langauge and maybe even point me in some direction? (I really hope the language is *not* hopelessly dead, like another conlang I once wanted to learn= , only to find out that the author had abandonned it.)=20 >If anybody knows of any other learning materials for this langauge, and a more easily searchable dictionary, I'd be very grateful to be made aware of them.=20 > >ki'e mu'o mi'e la selpa'i=20 > > --=20 pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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The last a= ddress I have for him (2009) is James F. Carter      =     Voice 310 825 2897    FAX 310 206 6673
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No conlang is dead if someone is still reading up on it, though it = seems like a couple decades since I last heard of this one.  But Carte= r was still on some lists a couple of years ago, so keep looking.  (I = confess I never looked at it, since it was politically incorrect when it fi= rst started out and I forgot all about it later.)

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From: se= lpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 2:51 PM
= Subject: Re: [lojban] gua\spi

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.oi se'i

Am 04.08.2012 21:28, schrieb selpa'i:
coi ro do
^:i !ji /glu (to mi rinsa toi)

First of all, sorry if this doesn't belong here, but I'm trying to find more info about gua\spi, and I know for a fact that at least some jbopre had some involvement with it. (And it's a sister language of lojban)
I read the "Introduction to Gua\spi" and the "Gua\spi Reference Manual", but I felt that those texts were not enough to really get to a point where I could even construct a single bridi. In fact, had I not had a lojbanic background, I would probably not have understood any of it.
I read that the inventor James Carter is not working on the language anymore, but maybe he'd be interested in getting back into it, if there was an audience of interested people.
I know that John Cowan came to Lojban *from* Gua\spi, so please, could you share some of your experiences with the langauge and maybe even point me in some direction? (I really hope the language is *not* hopelessly dead, like another conlang I once wanted to learn, only to find out that the author had abandonned it.)
If anybody knows of any other learning materials for this langauge, and a more easily searchable dictionary, I'd be very grateful to be made aware of them.

ki'e mu'o mi'e la selpa'i



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